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Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1258973)
If the above is true, then my previous post should not be raising your BP. Many of us post info we hear for others to consider, including yourself. Let's see what comes forth in the next day or three.
Regardless of what happens with our contract situation, big changes are coming for both AA and AE, so no one should be under any illusions. I'm certainly not. I think expecting every change for AE to be biscuits and gravy is a bit naive though. |
Announcing the closing of LAX base this week. Maybe tomm. There you have it eagle fly beat you to it. Lol.
PS. I know people too! lol |
Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1258981)
Announcing the closing of LAX base this week. Maybe tomm. There you have it eagle fly beat you to it. Lol.
PS. I know people too! lol |
Originally Posted by rickt86
(Post 1258976)
I think at this point we are trying to make it out without losing our job, or giving up so much as to lower the industry bar. Both sides of this AMR umbrella. If the two pilot groups could actually stand together, instead of having this animosity, itd be better long term leverage.
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Originally Posted by rickt86
(Post 1258982)
sure seems to be the hot rumor! What happens IF the week ends and its not announced?
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BTW, Update your 3*. LAX is very, very senior....This will create a massive ripple.
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1258981)
Announcing the closing of LAX base this week. Maybe tomm. There you have it eagle fly beat you to it. Lol.
PS. I know people too! lol |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1258988)
My bet says you're just proficient in parroting Eaglelouge propwash. You're still convinced (erronously) my initials are JJ.. ;)
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1258987)
BTW, Update your 3*. LAX is very, very senior....This will create a massive ripple.
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Ahh...time for another coldie!
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1258994)
Ahh...time for another coldie!
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1258991)
Aren't they Joey?
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Originally Posted by rickt86
(Post 1258992)
its 120 pilots out of 3000, ripple yes, massive I dont know, I think closing DFW EMJ would be a MASSIVE ripple.
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1258981)
Announcing the closing of LAX base this week. Maybe tomm. There you have it eagle fly beat you to it. Lol.
PS. I know people too! lol |
Originally Posted by SnoJet440
(Post 1259001)
This is so baseless, I'm embarassed to even respond. PS you sound like a child.
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This could happen, yes. But it won't be tomorrow. WARN letters would have to be sent at a minimum. The "tomorrow" part is what I have a good belly laugh over.
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1259007)
Actually, this wouldn't surprise me in the least considering how small the base is and the cheaper options to cover a small amount of feed, but Eagle guys in the know would know about that. I only heard about the RAH situation because it is an issue regarding us and scope and not because of its potential impact on Eagle.
I wonder how many of the LA pilots will leave Eagle. This is bad for DFW pilots the most, as they just took all those ATR pilots now these guys. IF it even comes out as true. I have been hearing over a year how they will open a CRJ base in lax. |
Originally Posted by SnoJet440
(Post 1259011)
This could happen, yes. But it won't be tomorrow. WARN letters would have to be sent at a minimum. The "tomorrow" part is what I have a good belly laugh over.
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They are closing MIA ATR tomorrow? No, they are not. That is my point, if they were to close a base tomorrow, it would have required WARN letters. If it is a slow shrinkage of the base that can be absorpbed by other bases, than no letters. Everyone in this rumor keeps saying it will happen TOMORROW. I am simply calling BS.
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Originally Posted by SnoJet440
(Post 1259020)
They are closing MIA ATR tomorrow? No, they are not. That is my point, if they were to close a base tomorrow, it would have required WARN letters. If it is a slow shrinkage of the base that can be absorpbed by other bases, than no letters. Everyone in this rumor keeps saying it will happen TOMORROW. I am simply calling BS.
I hope they all bid CRJ =P |
Lax is destined to close. Will be phased out partially before christmas than finish in late winter 2013. AA will remain there and their regional contractors. Skywest will be one, more to follow. Announcement this week. Possibly tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by rickt86
(Post 1259025)
I think the announcement is tomorrow dude. Most stuff I saw said will happen from now till sometime around year end +- a month.
I hope they all bid CRJ =P Just curious how hooked on the tropics you are. |
Originally Posted by rickt86
(Post 1259012)
I wonder how many of the LA pilots will leave Eagle. This is bad for DFW pilots the most, as they just took all those ATR pilots now these guys.
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1259037)
I wonder if some of those very senior there with AA numbers who hadn't planned to leave Eagle due primarily to not commuting out of LAX, might now reconsider AA on the idea they one day may be able to bid back. Of course, it may be a long time before we suck any more flowbies and even longer to gold LAX, but it might be a thought for some should this hammer fall soon. Prolly only a handful in that situation though.
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1259040)
Flowbies? Is that what they call you at AA?
It's getting late, there's no more cheese to steal and your baseboard rodent hole awaits. :cool: |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1259029)
If you get bumped out of MIA back to the big apple, will you move or commute ?
Just curious how hooked on the tropics you are. I will take the paid move back to NY. We will have to move in with family (most likely my Baby Mama's Mama), and I will reevaluate my life and try and figure out how to salvage this. I figure once I am bumped out of Miami, a furlough is coming not long after, however I do think I will get bumped from Miami BEFORE I get furloughed. Downside is I just entered into another 1 year lease, so that will make decision making a bit harder than I want. I am going to try everything in my power to avoid playing the RJ game again, and fuel this bottom of the pile whipsaw model. I already know some people who can get me an interview for corporate gigs, and there is not really a lack of 135 job postings online. I am coming close to the ATP ride at Eagle, so once I have that, I will at least have an ATP and 2500 hours. I am hoping that will making it possible to avoid having an RJ airline as my only option. You want to know where I live, my upcoming months sched, my phone number, mailing address, commercial pilot cert, and social sec number too??:D:p |
What is weird is I talked to my buddy, another AE pilot, tonight prior to hearing about this and he told me he was starting to hear the rumor of AE hiring! Weird.
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Originally Posted by 32LTangoTen
(Post 1259050)
What is weird is I talked to my buddy, another AE pilot, tonight prior to hearing about this and he told me he was starting to hear the rumor of AE hiring! Weird.
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Originally Posted by rickt86
(Post 1259045)
South FL sucks (the flying and lower cost of living/slightly lower, are why I stay here, I make more money and it cost me much less to do it). If I get bumped to NY I will move, and AMR will pay for it (pending that doesnt get snuck into this TA) shat, maybe I should not have posted it online!
I will take the paid move back to NY. We will have to move in with family (most likely my Baby Mama's Mama), and I will reevaluate my life and try and figure out how to salvage this. I figure once I am bumped out of Miami, a furlough is coming not long after, however I do think I will get bumped from Miami BEFORE I get furloughed. Downside is I just entered into another 1 year lease, so that will make decision making a bit harder than I want. I am going to try everything in my power to avoid playing the RJ game again, and fuel this bottom of the pile whipsaw model. I already know some people who can get me an interview for corporate gigs, and there is not really a lack of 135 job postings online. I am coming close to the ATP ride at Eagle, so once I have that, I will at least have an ATP and 2500 hours. I am hoping that will making it possible to avoid having an RJ airline as my only option.
Originally Posted by rick86
(Post 1259045)
You want to know where I live, my upcoming months sched, my phone number, mailing address, commercial pilot cert, and social sec number too??:D:p
Nah man, that's ok. But since we're in the neighborhood, how about your credit card #, expiration date and the 3 letter security code on the back ? Christmas is coming and daddy needs a new pair of shoes. :D |
AA and APA will cease flying for AMR. AMR, by using AE, will accept large orders of new A320s and B737's and pay us at Republic E190 pay rates. 500 APA pilots will remain to fly B777 and B787. You heard it hear first!
(I am kidding) I do admire APA for standing their ground and hope AE will follow their lead! |
DFW airport is hiring "SkyLink Control Center Operator" and "Parking Citation Administrator". Both pay more than my 5 year Jet FO pay rate at AE!
Crazy! And your home every night. Something is wrong with this picture! |
Originally Posted by 32LTangoTen
(Post 1259055)
AA and APA will cease flying for AMR. AMR, by using AE, will accept large orders of new A320s and B737's and pay us at Republic E190 pay rates. 500 APA pilots will remain to fly B777 and B787. You heard it hear first!
(I am kidding) I do admire APA for standing their ground and hope AE will follow their lead! |
Originally Posted by bgmann
(Post 1259058)
DFW airport is hiring "SkyLink Control Center Operator" and "Parking Citation Administrator". Both pay more than my 5 year Jet FO pay rate at AE!
Crazy! And your home every night. Something is wrong with this picture! |
Originally Posted by rickt86
(Post 1259015)
Nah, the closing MIA ATR base had no warn letters. No one is getting laid off....yet, plus they still have the warn letters to all the DFW ATR pilots to cover the furloughed.
Fact Sheet - The Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act Try educating yourself instead of providing bad information |
Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 1259205)
WARN Act letters are not required if there are no layoffs. Additonally, there is only a 60 day notice requirement.
Fact Sheet - The Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act Try educating yourself instead of providing bad information |
what is the AEPA? I wish we could get these LEC reps and MEC leadership out. I cant recalled the last time an LEC meeting was held down here in MIA. |
Originally Posted by be76flyer
(Post 1246688)
I think you both need to read Judge Lane's full ruling before you say he is thoughtful or will only give AMR average. Judge Lane will give AMR anything they ask for as long as they show him why they need it. Read his full ruling and then tell me we aren't F-ed.
This is the AMR bankruptcy, and each unit of AMR will be treated the same. It's only fair. In reviewing your current contract, which has had 2 or 3 amendent rounds from when I was there, and your TA, and comparing Eagle to others in your segment of the industry as reported to various federal agencies like DOT, SEC, FAA... it seems to me that AMR has reported your unit of AMR as profitable 10 out of 12 years; has reported your labor costs as in the top third but not outside the industry standards; has reported that your overall costs are within market rates, and also has announced their intention to sell/spin/divest Eagle which all together means there is not only no need to gut your contracts; but your existing situation doesn't meet the requirement for aborgation either. This ruling did not come out until mid August, and by then your union had already committed to a course of action, had already made an agreement in priciple, and the lawyers had already agreed as well. I'm told ALPA stands to get a 7 million dollar payent from AMR if you guys sign a consensual CBA soon. No wonder their lawyers are saying not to fight. Was it the Mesa guys that took no concession during BK? It has happened. Your MEC is focused on helping AMR sell/spin/divest Eagle because they feel that having work feeding multiple mainlines is a better business plan. They convieniently leave out that not one single owned regional has ever been spun off under that business model and succeded. The closest was expressjet, and they were bought from the brink of bankruptcy by Skywest. The reality is that the APA has made attempts to contract your MEC. As recently as January. Our phone calls, and messages never get returned. We hear rumors that your MEC chairman claims to have had an open line with our past president, and that your negotiating committe, and mergers guy routinely talk with us. Well, I can tell you without a doubt that our Board of Directors have never heard one peep from any of them. Our negotiators and president are obligated to report the the Board of Diretors any such offers, and there have not been any. Calling our president's office and verifying you have the right number, or talking with our negotiators and saying like a little kid would say wouldn't it be cool if we could work together, isn't going to be taken seriously. Our officials left messages with your MEC, and they never returned our calls; that is fact. Our BOD as recently as this week was approached by one of your LEC volunteers to inquire about all this, and was shocked to learn his MEC chairman, merger guy, and negotiating chairman had all misrepresented the truth to your MEC, and that both unions could have been working together all this time towards one list; or at the very least together against AMR. In our opinion, after we learned that your chairman prefers the idea of divesting and doing multiple feed contracts to multiple airlines; we realized why they never returned our calls. If we unified and became one list, in all probability we would also become one union. This means your union guys lose their jobs; the ALPA VP of Administration Bill Couette (an Eagle pilot) loses his cushy job; but most importantly, AMR would be less able to sell or divest you if you were all APA pilots on one list. This is why your union ignored us, refused to return calls, and misrepresented and lied to you all during this entire process. This week, after the LEC volunteer contacted us, our BOD did meet and the Eagle issue was revisited. At this time, due to the current state of our company; with our contract abrogated, and your union effectively split in half and fighting non-stop with eachother; it was decided that what would have been beneficial for all parties earleir this year; is now too late to get anything done fast enough to stop what's already in motion. It is unfortunate that the selfish desires of a few top leaders of your union have so effectively ruined any hope of creating a single stronger airline; and that they have essentially destined you all to be contract feed providers. We have been provided a list of names of your top union officials. I can assure you, that divested or not, street hires or flow thu's... their names will be known, and they will be welcomed accordingly. |
WOW..........
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That union is rotten to the core. Many believe they are in bed with their management and it wouldn't surprise me if that is one reason why they have gone groundhog on working with APA. AMR doesn't want any cooperation between these two pilots groups and it would seem the best way to do that is target those who can be bought off the easiest. Truly too bad for Eagle pilots.
I guess 7 million was the final price. :cool: |
Originally Posted by be76flyer
(Post 1246688)
I think you both need to read Judge Lane's full ruling before you say he is thoughtful or will only give AMR average. Judge Lane will give AMR anything they ask for as long as they show him why they need it. Read his full ruling and then tell me we aren't F-ed.
excuse me for interjecting into your affairs; but several friends have provided me a copy of your TA. I have read the judges rulings, in detail, which you obviuously haven't. On each issue where he justified abrogating our contract, he explained why our contract did not risk breaking any of the requirements that were needed to do so. Primarilly, it was due to us being above inndustry standard at the time; and this was a point our BOD conceeded was correct at the time. This is the AMR bankruptcy, and each unit of AMR will be treated the same. It's only fair. In reviewing your current contract, which has had 2 or 3 amendent rounds from when I was there, and your TA, and comparing Eagle to others in your segment of the industry as reported to various federal agencies like DOT, SEC, FAA... it seems to me that AMR has reported your unit of AMR as profitable 10 out of 12 years; has reported your labor costs as in the top third but not outside the industry standards; has reported that your overall costs are within market rates, and also has announced their intention to sell/spin/divest Eagle which all together means there is not only no need to gut your contracts; but your existing situation doesn't meet the requirement for aborgation either. This ruling did not come out until mid August, and by then your union had already committed to a course of action, had already made an agreement in priciple, and the lawyers had already agreed as well. I'm told ALPA stands to get a 7 million dollar payent from AMR if you guys sign a consensual CBA soon. No wonder their lawyers are saying not to fight. Was it the Mesa guys that took no concession during BK? It has happened. Your MEC is focused on helping AMR sell/spin/divest Eagle because they feel that having work feeding multiple mainlines is a better business plan. They convieniently leave out that not one single owned regional has ever been spun off under that business model and succeded. The closest was expressjet, and they were bought from the brink of bankruptcy by Skywest. The reality is that the APA has made attempts to contract your MEC. As recently as January. Our phone calls, and messages never get returned. We hear rumors that your MEC chairman claims to have had an open line with our past president, and that your negotiating committe, and mergers guy routinely talk with us. Well, I can tell you without a doubt that our Board of Directors have never heard one peep from any of them. Our negotiators and president are obligated to report the the Board of Diretors any such offers, and there have not been any. Calling our president's office and verifying you have the right number, or talking with our negotiators and saying like a little kid would say wouldn't it be cool if we could work together, isn't going to be taken seriously. Our officials left messages with your MEC, and they never returned our calls; that is fact. Our BOD as recently as this week was approached by one of your LEC volunteers to inquire about all this, and was shocked to learn his MEC chairman, merger guy, and negotiating chairman had all misrepresented the truth to your MEC, and that both unions could have been working together all this time towards one list; or at the very least together against AMR. In our opinion, after we learned that your chairman prefers the idea of divesting and doing multiple feed contracts to multiple airlines; we realized why they never returned our calls. If we unified and became one list, in all probability we would also become one union. This means your union guys lose their jobs; the ALPA VP of Administration Bill Couette (an Eagle pilot) loses his cushy job; but most importantly, AMR would be less able to sell or divest you if you were all APA pilots on one list. This is why your union ignored us, refused to return calls, and misrepresented and lied to you all during this entire process. This week, after the LEC volunteer contacted us, our BOD did meet and the Eagle issue was revisited. At this time, due to the current state of our company; with our contract abrogated, and your union effectively split in half and fighting non-stop with eachother; it was decided that what would have been beneficial for all parties earleir this year; is now too late to get anything done fast enough to stop what's already in motion. It is unfortunate that the selfish desires of a few top leaders of your union have so effectively ruined any hope of creating a single stronger airline; and that they have essentially destined you all to be contract feed providers. We have been provided a list of names of your top union officials. I can assure you, that divested or not, street hires or flow thu's... their names will be known, and they will be welcomed accordingly. I guess our MEC is worst than I thought!!! |
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