I just hope the line gets drawn here at some point, I know everyone does.

Expecting the announcement for new planes at Eagle very soon.

Did the judge just toss apa pilot contract ?

Source?

Oops, sorry. Wrong forum.

Since you've only got another year left (or so you said), it's unfortunate you'll never fly one. Just curious..........what's next after the crew room door soon hits you in the ass for the last time ?

Going to checkout in a skyhawk and revisit your roots ?

No, he granted AMR's request to do so. Have to wait and see what AMR does now.

Wish u guys the best of luck man .

Ya I can see the announcement now..Eagle puts 50 more CRJ 700s on order due in 2014. Oh and Eagle returning all EMJs except 50 145s. RAH and Expressjet doing 200 airplanes worth of flying starting next month and ramping up by 2013 years end.

Yep great news for Eagle (sarcasm) but I mean come on, we have a large amount of contractual language in our favor that was in the AA contract, forcing most of their RJ flying to be at Eagle.

With what money??? The money they save from the AA pilots!!

Airlines dont really buy planes, they lease them, it would not be hard to line up RJs to be AMR controlled and contracted to a regional. The current Eagle planes are leased from the bank of brazil, but are 'owned' by American Airlines and Operated by Eagle.

Ya. I know.. I have put more then my time at Eagle.. Wish the best for my buds... But also know when they can push off a expense on someone else AMR will sell Eagle down the river...

Sky Talk: AMR files Section 1113 motions to reject American Eagle mechanics, ground instructor and dispatch contracts

AMR files Section 1113 motions to reject American Eagle mechanics, ground instructor and dispatch contracts


September 07, 2012

AMR files Section 1113 motions to reject American Eagle mechanics, ground instructor and dispatch contracts

AMR Corp. filed Section 1113 motions to reject its mechanics, ground instructor and dispatch union contracts at American Eagle.
The filing, made on Friday afternoon, tentatively sets a hearing date for October 23. All three work groups are represented by the Transport Workers Union.
"Because our preference is to achieve the necessary savings through consensus rather than a court order, we intend to continue negotiating with the Transport Workers Union," said American Eagle spokesman Bruce Hicks. "We are pleased that we have an agreement with the TWU-represented Fleet Service Clerks, but we must continue to move this process forward with the mechanics, ground school instructors and dispatchers."
-Andrea Ahles




Read more here: Sky Talk: AMR files Section 1113 motions to reject American Eagle mechanics, ground instructor and dispatch contracts

We will be next if we vote no.

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Your vote means little as your situation is all but a done deal. Has AMR included ALPA's contract for abrogation ?

BTW, word has it Republic may be getting the 1 E-175 for every 2 E-135/140/145's Eagle returns. Eagle would get additional CRJ-700/900's and keep some remaining 145's and be a 150-175 aircraft airline. Pinnacle will be losing a lot of their Delta ops and will have surplus pilots for Republic and Eagle pilots may get preferential hiring at RAH for their expansion, so the transition should be doable. Comair will have pilots too. Look for another turboprop operator out of MIA.

That would give 2 large RJ operators for AA with contracts prior to any merger with U. Once merged the U feeder system would be condensed and streamlined to match AA's feed system, ultimately resulting in perhaps 5-6 carriers, including at least one turboprop operator and perhaps 2.

Is this source accurate ?

We shall see. Whatever happens, I don't see any unemployment for Eagle pilots going forward, not that you care.

You are just a bottom AA pilot. No credibility whatsoever.

Not sure seniority has to do with anything. Then again, I had the same beliefs when I was senior to you at Eagle. :rolleyes:

You certainly don't need some sort of inside knowledge to agree with this. The company and union have been stating this for the past year, albeit with less detail. Eagle will be spun off and AA feed will be diversified. Eagle will not get all of the flying. The airframes will be added using the Delta blueprint, keep them on the AA certificate and contract out the pilots only. Why do you thing all of our current embraers have are owned by American Airlines? They
could pull those planes tomorrow and give them to Republic without adding a single new plane.

If you want to fly bigger airplanes, you should've left AE. Instead, you chose to stay.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Pinnacle shut down. DAL sells the CRJ200's(there are buyers interested since they're some of the youngest CRJ200s around) and then uses the CRJ900's to swap out with older CRJ200's on a 2:1 ratio. This way DAL easily rids themselves of 200+ 50 seaters.

Also could be 375 RJs flying for AA, thats about 125 more planes than right now. This also leaves room for other turbo props on top of that. It is not impossible that Eagle will be 250 airplanes, with 150 outsourced, well outsourced again since Eagle is already outsourced. Not saying that is the most likely outcome, but it is still possible. The ability for place to hire over the next 12 months and industry movement will be the biggest factor.

Sure there will be a net increase in rj's for AA, and eagle won't be completely dissolved. The end solution is whatever whipsaws us into the lowest wages and biggest concessions. And all of this will take some time to do, but not forever. How long did it take skywest to replace mesa dash's and crj's?
The only thing that may slow this is the lack of furloughed regional pilot applying to the replacement carrier. If I'm furloughed, I won't be seeking employment at republic, skywest, etc. And that is one less ATP available come August.

Wouldn't surprise me either.

I'm curious, what happens if you vote no?

No pay or pension cuts for Eagle pilots. Eagle sill has a much higher number of very senior pilots in the 15-20 year range whose compensation is well above the senior cadre at RAH and others. Additionally, a large number of F/O's are topped out as well. If RAH expands, many of those seats on both sides of the cockpit will be comparatively junior and much cheaper. Not sure what the senior F/O's close to upgrade at RAH are but, my guess is 5 years.

If RAH puts an E-175 on line for AA, they'll have a 5-6 year captain and a 1-2 year F/O or perhaps even a new-hire. At the next gate, an Eagle CRJ-700 or 900 will have a 15-25 year captain and a 3-6 year F/O. Spread over a hundred or so aircraft, that can be a big deal and tough to undercut.

Curious why AMR pulled the compensation demands, but kept the outsourcing abilities in their latest offer ?

If the plan is to move quickly through the process and ultimately outsource, perhaps it's best to leave compensation alone to get the vote passed (provided there is even a vote) and then pull the rug out to get the real cost savings via outsourcing ?

No need to undercut.

I've talked to a dozen or so guys at Eagle with AA numbers and virtually all of them plan to stay at Eagle even if the place goes down the crapper. Apparently, they believe they'll at least be at the top of the ****pile and above the worst of it, flying a 64-79 seater with job security as opposed to sweating it out at the bottom of AA. Not that they have a high likelihood of flow thru any time soon.

In all likelihood, ALPA will override the pilots and approve MEC ratification. As it stands now, they've hijacked the property and not a single action is being taken to stop them. It's become a dictatorship of the meek and oppressed.

Sadly I agree with you. Like their 16 year vote, I can see this one going down much the same way. My statement was more directed at RJ considering he sounds like one who wants to be on top of the S*$& Pile.

Why give the 18days off top 10 choices a month in exchange for commuting to LGA for reserve flying a pos 80? No thanks.

And that's your choice. If you want to fly something bigger, you'll have to give it up.

Thats your opinion.

Actually, based on your current fleet it's a fact. ;)

Now the AMR BK might get you to CRJ900's but that's about it. Of course, that's my opinion. :D

RJPILOT most likely wont get to fly anything more than he is on now, he will be flying the CRJ700 for CRJ900 pay, oh wait they will be the same. With this pay banding and seat locking, he wont get to fly the CRJ 900, it will be the guys on the EMJ as it shrinks. Actually I guess its a common type isnt it?

Besides, if I ever wanted to fly heavy irons, overseas is the place to go. I'm afraid the so called "Legacies" here are almost dead and gone.

Birds are chirping an announcement regarding RAH will occur by end of week.

dont get too much of a woody, with the scope relief that might be coming, it could be your job at AA not ours.

With the 1113, 125 MORE JETS are coming to the AA feeders. PLUS room for large TURBO PROPS! Until 125 jets and some turbo props are announced with other feed airlines, Eagle is still not yet doomed.

I hope no one loses their job, but your post comes across as giddy giddy Eagle job loss.

I am hoping to god that the fear of what AA pilots might do, might somehow save some scope and QOL for you guys. What happens at AA has a bigger impact on my future then what happens to me at Eagle IMO.

Rick, it was a simply statement of information I have heard and am passing along. I get no "woody" out of it or the thought of any job losses for Eagle pilots.

You're taking hits off of RJ pilot's sippy cup.

I have not heard any verifiable details, so you shouldn't get yourself worked into a lather over it as it may not result in Eagle job losses. I don't know details and if I don't know about that, I couldn't get a woody over it even if I wanted to.

It's just what I've heard from a source I consider fairly credible. TIFWIW.

Scope relief that might? Son, Thats the first thing AMR will go after. It will get interesting!

this entire web forum is screaming about announcement for AA feed, your just repeating it when you come on here and post it. Considering they are losing 15 airplanes with AA in March, the first 15 airplanes are not new flying. If it is a small deal like 25 airplanes, that still leaves a ton of room for Eagle to come out of this about the same size. The FTDT in a year and change will require more pilots at all airlines. Retirement/movement/musical chairs etc are coming soon. RAH is biting off alot and still has no stable labor with the pilots, if they take on 100 airplanes with AA and then don't fly it, the penalties alone could put them into CH11. These are small profit contracts, and when they are not completed they come with huge penalties. At some point thing will rock bottom because of the 1500 hour rule. Zero to hero is one thing, Zero to hero and then 1500 hours, with VERY LIMITED low time jobs out there, its going to be a huge catalyst.

Gramps I realize that, I have been following along, but they are walking on ice, and if they push the wrong button and the AA guys cause 30% of flights to CX and 50% to be more than 2 hours late, and it goes on for weeks, the cost savings of lower cost RJs might be lost, and then more. Its going to be interesting. It has been done, just look at the United summer from hell. With the union screaming dont do it, I am not sure how the courts can impose a fine on anyone since its all grass root. What will they do, start firing people for not wanting broken airplanes or going out on long term leave for depression?

I am not at all advocating any of these things, I am just repeating what is common knowledge and what United did in 2000. This post is not a go do this post, it is a this is what the threat by the pilots is from what I hear.

If the above is true, then my previous post should not be raising your BP. Many of us post info we hear for others to consider, including yourself. Let's see what comes forth in the next day or three.

Regardless of what happens with our contract situation, big changes are coming for both AA and AE, so no one should be under any illusions. I'm certainly not. I think expecting every change for AE to be biscuits and gravy is a bit naive though.