MAN OVER BOARD! MAN OVER BOARD! There's no use Skipper... "He's a goner! He's with them now..."

ya it shows us between 210 and 220 airplanes ABOUT. Thats about 2500 pilots, maybe even more with the up coming FTDT. My Dad told me the rumor at United is 500 hired this fall/winter/2013spring, and 500+ a year for years. I think everyone else is not far behind that. If you think over the next 18 months close to 1000 pilots wont be leaving Eagle, I think your not seeing the bigger picture. In the next 15 years over 40,000 pilots will retire at the big 6 airlines. Do you want a 6 year contract or maybe 8 that is mediocre, but has some huge hidden short falls, or do you want to enter back into negotiations this spring, when I bet you Eagle is suddenly NEEDING to hiring again, and entering into the hardest recruiting time ever. I think with the TA they can fool people into coming here, as its a hit on the soft money, not hourly rate, however the 1113, not a single person will work here, unless they want the felons and drunks, that normally goto lakes and silver.

Same if we get sold off, or merged, or anything, do you want this 6 year turd full of loop holes, or do you want to be 1113 for a few months?? I would rather take the risk of losing my job here and make a stand, then bend over and once again lower the industry bar in hopes that I dont lose it.

Thats what the AA guys are doing, they are trying to show enough is enough, and they are willing to have the entire place go belly up, if thats what it takes. Its time that people stop giving up so much money in hopes it saves their jobs, when all they are really doing is fueling management bonuses.

If this TA becomes our contract your looking at about 20% less income AT LEAST. Your year end final pay will be about 20% less, unless you work more than you are now to make up for it. I refuse to agree to that. I would rather the 1113 and take a 40% cut for 6 months, to at most a year, I think over 3 years the blow would be less to my wallet and my QOL would end up ten times better. THATS IF THE JUDGE ALLOWS THEIR 1113, I dont think he will because its WAY below industry average, they cant block us in with great lakes.



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It won't be six months to a year under imposed terms. It will be much longer than that. What makes you think the company will be motivated to negotiate a new contract when we are working without one? It would easily be 4-6 years under imposed terms.

because A. THEY WILL HAVE TO HIRE, no matter if they get rid of another 100 airplanes, more people will be leaving, ESP with the 1113. The industry over the next 18 months will suck people out of here faster than they can park planes. They dont want that road, they know they are better taking advantage of the fact they have a well staffed Eagle, and manipulating what they bid out from there.

B. Productivity will go to crap at Eagle. We do 95% of their feed, which is 50% of their domestic flying. The AA guys are about to unleash Satins Ahole on this place, do you really think they want to follow up with Eagle doing the same. They cant bid out that much right now, most other regionals are scared about staffing the contracts they have, which have HUGE fees if they are not completed.

C. This is a game of poker, and we are getting bluffed really bad, we have a straight, they want us to think they have flush, but in the end they have two pairs...which is two pairs more than our union seems to have!

I think they will need to hire no matter what in the next 6-8 months, and with the 1113 imposed, there is no chance in hell anyone will come to work here. Thus I think at that point they will just give us back our old contract. Plus I think they want to sell/spin off eagle to spur up a ton of cash to buy someone else, thats why I think we will get most of the 70-90 seat airplanes, and why they have been growing the living day lights out of the ground handling. Skywest recently said they were the second most profitable regional, BEHIND EAGLE.


Most important its a clear message that the MEC and half the LECs must go!!!

At AE with an imposed 1113 there will be no spin off.
At AE with the 1113 imposed and AE is spun off, management will have to get a contract with the pilots fast if they want to find financing and attract pilots ( because alot will leave with 1113)
At AE with an 1113 inoposed, AE will not be able to attract replacement pilots to fill the void from everyone leaving and going to DAL, UCAL or US Airways and WN.

In other words, this is not a good time for AE to be imposing an 1113 or for that any regional in BK or looking at BK other than to reduce there debt and renegotiate leases.

Why would anyone go work at a company with an imposed 1113 with the new FTDT kicking in next year?

everyone please think long and hard about the benefits of voting no, how our union might possibly be very corrupt and fill our inbox's with their propaganda. How we might save ourselves from 6 years of a huge hit on our pay via softmoney, and maybe even do this industry some good by voting it down. Stop fearing the unknown, and realize that this TA is just as much unknown of an outcome as the 1113 process. The only thing known for sure is that the duration is 6 years, nothing more about fleet or any REAL job security.

About 8 years ago American Eagle hired an outside Public Relations company to present American Eagles case to the public and the pilots of American Eagle.
That company is ALPA American Eagle Master Executive Chairman and Vice Chairman.

The company very seldom makes comments to public, that function, management delegated to there hired firm ALPA AE MEC. Death is upon us, the glass is half empty, we are running out of gas, the end is near, get my drift. That is the ALPA AE MEC. Only proper place for them is in the TOILET.

VOTE NO
TAKE IT TO THE JUDGE
GROW A PAIR

Still a Yes vote. More than ever! Im educating FOs on it too.

I'm an FO that needs to be edumacated. So edumacate me. Please... What am I missing?

Spellcheck?

I believe his is talking about why you are a yes vote. Spell it out for us.

I'm a no vote. A rejection of this TA does not necessarily mean AMR will automatically file that crappy term sheet. Why on earth would we accept the company's "first" negotiated offer? Hello negotiating 101 - kick it back and send a message - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! They are not fixing the problem that got us here to begin with.
The MEC is playing right into he company's hands. What he company really wants is PBS so they put a very low value on it then add a bunch of deal breakers like taking a week of vacation and throw in PBS with a very low value. The MEC fell for it. They said no you can't take our vacation but and by the way you undervalued PBS so lets make a deal. Company hot exactly what it wanted all along and the MEC acts like they dis us a huge favor! The more value on PBS the worse out work rules are going to be.
If the company were to file that latest term sheet and than refuse to negotiate during the 1113 process, how well do you think that would I with the judge? Judge Lane is no fool. If AMR seeks to impose archaic terms after reaching a consensual agreement with our MEC for something else that they acknowledge they can accept, then the judge will see thru that.
Can't you see that a NO vote is not an automatic implantation of that crappy term sheet? It is just the start of another process. Please people, lets stand together and grow a backbone!