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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1252190)

Looks like an 8yr deal for us. All we need now is this thing to pass, and it will.

I just have to scratch my head. In 3 years pilots have the opportunity to be in the driver's seat and now we're locked into this deal until 2021.... I know, we can talk in 4 years.

Well. We will be voting on an 8 year contract...

43% of pilots voted. Of who voted, 66% voted for 8 year.

...Why dont pilots vote...drives me crazy

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Originally Posted by 32LTangoTen (Post 1252335)

Well. We will be voting on an 8 year contract...

43% of pilots voted. Of who voted, 66% voted for 8 year.

...Why dont pilots vote...drives me crazy

Maybe 57% have blocked the annoying union propaganda, I mean emails and recorded phone calls. Thus they never knew or cared.

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Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1252347)

Maybe 57% have blocked the annoying union propaganda, I mean emails and recorded phone calls. Thus they never knew or cared.

No. They just believe the union. Because, after all, they ARE fighting for us. Right!? Our union really sticks it to the company and gets us the BEST deal possible! And we have to give up SO MUCH to allow this company to make so much money.

Disappointing. Now the fight is for a NO but I wouldn't expect much more than half our pilots to even vote. They're drinking the Tony juice just like Jonestown, Guyana.

not the tony constelation urine.

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Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 1250908)

I found This quote from the latest union email to be just rich considering what happened at Comair in '09....

Guaranteed aircraft is the same thing as guaranteed jobs; it is a specified allotment of aircraft that yield a corresponding number of employed pilots.

Samballs have you seen this yet?

They are right, but I am also the same person who kept telling people a fleet plan is meaningless. So yes guaranteed jobs and a fleet plan are the same in the fact they are both meaningless numbers.

They are far from the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1252689)

They are far from the same thing.

You don't have to tell me. I was one of the guys furloughed in '09 and I was walked past my guaranteed fleet on the way out the door.

TC

Are you still working for eagle?

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Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1251087)

I disagree, Comair was during a huge downturn for the majors, and no 1500 hour rule.

The FTDT requires more pilots, the 1500 hour rule cuts off the supply, and the amount of pilots coming in is back to 1930 levels. Add into that 35,000 pilots retiring over the next 15 years from the biggest 8, and you have a mess. They know it, and they are scared beyond belief at the RJ level. Wait till United hires 500 in the next 6 months, and soon all the others follow suit.

Sucks 2000 out of the regionals in 10 months, while require more for FTDT and cutting the new hires to a dribble. I think this time, they wont be able to just get guys to come to the new place, they wont even be able to keep up with attrition.

A huge downturn at the majors? That's been the norm since 9/11. Every other regional was hiring in droves. As were some fractionals and nationals. Yet, a pilot shortage was the last thing on the minds of Comair management. And at the same time, we were paying a $5000.00, yes that is 5 large, bonus to new hires. Hmm, seems to me when Eagle management sees a need, they find the money.

There will never be a pilot shortage to amount to the contract changes you are seeking. Management/industry will continue to shuffle work where they get the most return. No single pilot group will have enough of the flying to entertain any change. The Comair strike taught everyone that.
Even inept airline management can figure that out. Why can't you?