How so? They are both meaningless in the fact that neither are legally enforceable numbers.

Because your not seeing the bigger picture, they rock bottomed it out so bad that people started flat out crashing the planes. This caused the laws to change (FTDT and 1500 hour rule). They made it such a bad industry that a handful of people are coming into this industry. Add into that the gas prices, and lack of much student loans, and the trickle keeps shrinking. You got 30,000-40,000 major airline pilots retiring in the next 20 years, many of which start over the next 3.

The last 10 years of churned up a huge storm when it comes to helping out the guys on the bottom, the current model is unsustainable. Everything goes in cycles.

Any news on PBS? We all know its coming, I think its a good thing if done right.

You nailed it rickt86, you said the "current model is not sustainable". That is correct. The model is going to significantly change. Always has, always will. Ask an old mainline guy if in 1990 they saw the RJ coming. Ask a retired mainline guy about the dawn of the jet age in the late 60's. That was a real pilot shortage, and they hired people without any flying experience, oh the humanity.

I don't discount the significance of the 1500hr rule change. But, that's just it, it's a rule change. Meaning, they can make another change to accomodate some shortage. Look at how quickly the retirement age went from 60-65.

BE76,

They are not equal if they try and take some of those planes for somebody else to operate.

you seem like a cool person.

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NO SECTION 1113 MOTION HAS BEEN FILED IN BANKRUPTCY COURT TO ABROGATE THE PILOT AGREEMENT.

Until such a Section 1113 motion is filed, sworn tesimony is given by management, in court, regarding the fairness and equity of its demands, and ALPA has responded in defense of our 16 year industry average agreement, the bankruptcy judge has NO AUTHORITY to interfer - much less abrogate - the American Eagle Pilot Agreement.

ALPA is deliberately spreading a malicious lie to coerce the American Eagle pilots to vote "yes" on a sub-standard set of concessions that are not justified, and will never be justified, in bankruptcy court.



a employee of the National Mediation Board, who is an American Eagle employee on a five year leave of absence, and who coincidently was the past chairman of the ALPA MEC Negotiating Committee, was invited to attend the NY PUB event. It must be remembered that this individual was a tireless advocate on behalf of management for the sub-standard, unwarranted and unjustified concessions that the American Eagle pilots are fighting against today. His attendance at this ALPA sponsored event is a gross conflict of interest.

Section 1113 will be filed the very moment that this TA doesn't pass. Thats why is very important to vote yes.
Guys, we are NOT in negotiations, we are a bankrupt company with a judge deciding your fate.

The negotiations between the company and ALPA should not have begun until they have filed the 1113C process. Once they file the 1113 we have 51 days to negotiate. Time is on our side. The risk/reward of going to the judge outweighs this AIP that ALPA has just offered the pilots of American Eagle. The union members are falling hook, line, and sinker into what the managers and lawyers want for this company. Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt is how this company negotiates and they have our own union members spreading it like a cancer throughout the pilot group.

Are we bankrupt, or are we a profitable company who leads the industry in revenue units and are under bankruptcy protection for reorganization. there is a difference. How come they didn't file the mechanics 1113 yet, they voted it down and the company said they "may" file. They haven't filled 1113 for any Eagle workgroup as of yet, why is that... I don't know but there has to be a reason an is not kindness of heart!

American Eagle Holdings is hiring FA, Mechanics and ramp personnel. THe company will do what it will do, 43.1 million is not going to alter their plan, they will get saving one way or the other.