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jumpseat2024 08-17-2012 07:10 PM
Originally Posted by flyingreasemnky (Post 1247068)
You should see the 1113 just proposed to the Pinnacle pilot group. It makes your term sheet look like a great offer.
.....and Eagle pilots can expect ALPA to highlight the draconian details of the Pinnacle sheet in the hope it will make theirs look like Boston cream pie. :cool:

Make no mistake, Eagle ALPA has an agenda and manipulating their own pilots is a given.
Good call..what's your take on the stuff we've been tossed the past week? You seem to have a lot of insight on this stuff..I'm curious as to what someone that's been doing this a lot longer than me thinks about it..

SnoJet440 08-17-2012 08:01 PM
Originally Posted by samballs (Post 1247560)
They already sent out the comparison!!
also sent out how the votes were cast by the LEC for the TA
ORD = yes (of course)
DFW = both abstained (wussys)
LAX = NO

I forget the rest, but at least LAX was smart
They sent out the results of a vote on a motion to let the pilots have input on duration. That was not the results of a vote on the ta.

What 08-18-2012 05:44 AM
Originally Posted by SnoJet440 (Post 1247588)
They sent out the results of a vote on a motion to let the pilots have input on duration. That was not the results of a vote on the ta.
We are doing a "survey". They gave us a little information about the differences;

6 years, it's only 2 years shorter and no benefits
8 years, it's only 2 years longer and a lot of hopes and dreams!

Doesn't matter what we do, it will end up being an 8 year deal by the looks of it

samballs 08-18-2012 06:37 AM
Originally Posted by SnoJet440 (Post 1247588)
They sent out the results of a vote on a motion to let the pilots have input on duration. That was not the results of a vote on the ta.
Oops didn't catch that. Well screw lax then

Mason32 08-18-2012 07:07 AM
Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 1246627)
I know AMR will distribute flying to Skywest and Republic as soon as they can, but foes anyone have avoid grasp on their contracts? I'm wondering how much Skywest/Express Jet or Republic pilots get paid. I was under the impression that Skywest has their fair share of senior pilots who get paid as well as the other regionals.


TC
Not sure about RAH but SKW payscale goes to 20 years, captains make more than AE and FOs make more than AE. Their FAs also get paid better than AE. I also know that their management sent out documents saying that SKW is the most expensive regional in terms of labor, and they are the second most profitable. According to them, guess who the most profitable regional is. Yup, eagle.

Edit: I would like to point out that their FOs flying the CRJ-200 make more than the FOs flying the -700 here at Eagle. How SKW could do the flying cheaper than AE is beyond me.
Got a copy of the letter?

lakehouse 08-18-2012 07:13 AM
till we refresh the union, Im voting no. We need to send a message that we want new faces in the union, and no more team Tony. Till that happens, I am voting no because I dont trust a thing. I remember at the family awareness event, DG and TG were sitting at a table telling a group of pilots that PBS is good, and only people who dont want pbs heard from a friend of a friends of a friend that its bad. That is not true, I hear from my Dad at United that it is awful. These guys are out of touch with the reality of the situation.

I still cant believe the ORD reps sent out an email, using their ALPA email list of everyone in the base, specifically naming who wanted them recalled with their employee numbers, I seriously cant believe ALPA national didnt have them removed. The company should fire them for this.

Mason32 08-18-2012 07:14 AM
Originally Posted by SnoJet440 (Post 1246876)
Make the company lay it's cards on the table. I did read the ruling, and Judge Lane made it clear that AMR did not need unlimited codesharing because the competition did not have it. If American Eagle actually files an 1113 motion, then they will have to prove how the changes to our contract are needed. That could be difficult, since no other regional has contract terms as draconian as the term sheet. A scary path indeed, but maybe one we should take.
Really are you sure me and you have the same ruling. He is ok with paying AA pilots only 60% of sick time and have 88 seat RJs. He would have been ok unlimited codesharing if the business plan called for it. I can't see how anyone can read that and no see Judge Lane will give AMR anything they want.
Thank goodness we have a newbie to come save us from ourselves. Sorry kid, the APA has been negotiating contracts since probably before you were born.

You sound like a kid at his first airline job, first union job, first bankruptcy.

Let them impose anything they want and not negotiate in good faith. 500 will retire the next day as the tip of the iceberg.

eaglefly 08-18-2012 10:18 AM
Originally Posted by jumpseat2024 (Post 1247574)
Good call..what's your take on the stuff we've been tossed the past week? You seem to have a lot of insight on this stuff..I'm curious as to what someone that's been doing this a lot longer than me thinks about it..
From my assessment, Eagle pilots are hopelessly screwed as long as your current corrupt union leadership is in place. They will orchestrate whatever necessary to prevail in THEIRS and the company's interests as opposed to yours.

Your only real hope is to form a coalition of pilots willing to seek a labor attorney and peruse DFR and quickly. At that point, you may be able to stop their process of selling you down the river until the DFR issues are resolved or new leadership is in place.

In the interim if it were me, I'd reject anything that comes from a corrupt source.

samballs 08-18-2012 02:44 PM
Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1247763)
till we refresh the union, Im voting no. We need to send a message that we want new faces in the union, and no more team Tony. Till that happens, I am voting no because I dont trust a thing. I remember at the family awareness event, DG and TG were sitting at a table telling a group of pilots that PBS is good, and only people who dont want pbs heard from a friend of a friends of a friend that its bad. That is not true, I hear from my Dad at United that it is awful. These guys are out of touch with the reality of the situation.

I still cant believe the ORD reps sent out an email, using their ALPA email list of everyone in the base, specifically naming who wanted them recalled with their employee numbers, I seriously cant believe ALPA national didnt have them removed. The company should fire them for this.
They told me the same thing. I let them tell me their whole speal. Then i informed them it is crap and i used it for 6 years.

mking84 08-18-2012 02:48 PM
Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 1242965)
I am in no way a cheerleader for this TA, but those of you saying "take it to the judge" need to look at how these things have gone in the past. It NEVER works out in the pilot group's favor. Yes we will be able to negotiate a new contract after we emerge from BK, you have to remember how long it takes to get a GOOD contract negotiated. It takes SEVERAL years. Can you live under the AMR term sheet for possibly 2-5 years?

Just playing devil's advocate. I think there is still work to be done, but it looks much better than it did at the beginning.
Just worked for the AA pilots. I guess all your years of experience in the airlines means more.


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