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How would voting no stop the transfer of flying?
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Originally Posted by DashDriverYV
(Post 1243011)
I want to see some contract language before making up my mind, but that is certainly a lot better then the 1113 term sheet. I'll have to study it some more but could vote yes based on what I've seen.
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Originally Posted by SnoJet440
(Post 1243030)
How would voting no stop the transfer of flying?
Managment has always said they want to diversify the feed. They want to keep eagle off their backs for 8 years + with this TA. While being free to give away the flying. The judge might gut the contact in the short term if you vote no... But you can negotiate a new contract (including feed) when AA exits bankruptcy. Plus AA wants to show the judge that they are pilot friendly by having this TA pass.... Since mainline is not playing ball. |
Originally Posted by SnoJet440
(Post 1243030)
How would voting no stop the transfer of flying?
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 1243044)
Term sheet is only during bankruptcy. One year of that or 6-10 under a **** contract you voted in for yourself. Not to mention what you would be doing for the profession as a whole.
MAINLINE contracts govern scope (and now, the BK Judge). Get back to me when you've convinced every RJ driver nationwide to boycott our flying when the bid for it goes out, and then I'll be sure to stick it to 'em with a no vote. And just to cover your whole argument-in a perfect world, we could reject, work under the term sheet for 6 months, exit BK and begin "intense" negotiations towards a new contract. Except any AA pilot will tell you "intense" negotiations with AMR could be a while. What motivation does mgmt have to agree at that point? They're making $$ hand over fist while you're working for peanuts under the term sheet. And if Gov. Romney gets elected, do you think we'll be released to strike? I'm just curious if you could tell me how many strikes were allowed under President Bush in his tenure during the previous Ch. 11 BKs at UAL, DL, NWA....? |
VOTE NO
For those that are salivating at CRJ900 and EMB175 because it was mentioned, guess what, the AE contract has had SAAB 2000 mentioned for 16 years, I have never seen a SAAB 2000 in AE colors, has anyone else? Get my point. If it is not on the property, then you dont have it, even then it is not for sure. What you have are a lot of QOL items being taken away, such as drop trip sequence and vacation slide to maximize vacation, DH pay reduced to 50%, Transition conflicts guarantee pay and training conflict pay is all gone with PBS. Your Pay Increase indexing can now go negative to where you will be taking pay cuts every year due to the indexing. You actually are getting maybes from the company while you are giving up tangible items of great value. The bullet points are enough to know whether you are a yes or NO vote. The contract language will be written by AMR and the MEC will agree to it, dont need to read the language. The bullet points are enough to show what a turd this is. You have gained nothing and the company gets 45 million a year in savings, how did you benefit. MGT gets an 8 year concessionary contract with the pilots, you get an 8 year concessionary contract with 45 million dollars in give backs, who makes out on the deal. Grow some apples, VOTE NO |
Originally Posted by subrat
(Post 1243048)
Managment has always said they want to diversify the feed.
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Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 1242979)
Grow a pair and stop lowering the bar. We took the stand, why don't you support us for a change and stand up for your profession.
Just asking since you're being all preachy and stuff :rolleyes: |
Does AA or Eagle have the capital to purchase a bunch of large RJ's?? Doubt it. There tied up with 737/A319 orders...
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Originally Posted by tmtbiker
(Post 1243054)
don't ask intelligent questions, this is the internet!
Excuse me? "what [we're] doing for the profession as a whole" ?!?!?! I believe you're insinuating that we should somehow refuse to fly larger airplanes? Do you think that after this refusal took place, AMR would simply award that flying to mainline? We all know that RAH, SKW, etc etc would be on the ramp the next day to move those airplanes, and I can't blame them. MAINLINE contracts govern scope (and now, the BK Judge). Get back to me when you've convinced every RJ driver nationwide to boycott our flying when the bid for it goes out, and then I'll be sure to stick it to 'em with a no vote. And just to cover your whole argument-in a perfect world, we could reject, work under the term sheet for 6 months, exit BK and begin "intense" negotiations towards a new contract. Except any AA pilot will tell you "intense" negotiations with AMR could be a while. What motivation does mgmt have to agree at that point? They're making $$ hand over fist while you're working for peanuts under the term sheet. And if Gov. Romney gets elected, do you think we'll be released to strike? I'm just curious if you could tell me how many strikes were allowed under President Bush in his tenure during the previous Ch. 11 BKs at UAL, DL, NWA....? I understand mainline governs scope. That's not what I was talking about. What I meant by hurting the profession was AGREEING to an EIGHT YEAR concessionary contract when some of us are trying to negotiate huge raises and get some Qol increases. If you don't think no pay changes and PBS is not concessionary then you are crazy. Watch your w2 plummet next year eventhough your pay rate won't change. When the furloughs come they will be deeper under PBS because it is a staffing tool at its core and if your not on the end of a furlough letter it will affect your relative seniority due to the lower pilot count. Eagle and Xjt are the only two regionals with some bit of Qol in their contracts and you are about to give yours away for the next EIGHT YEARS. Not saying the next year or two won't be hard but it sure ain't EIGHT YEARS |
The next question should be: Do you think even 1% AA pilots would vote yes to your current TA if that is what was offered to them? I'm guessing the answer is a big hell no. So why are any eagle pilots even considering it? Are you not airline pilots flying the same customers in the same weather at the same airports as the AA pilots. Why would this trash be ok for you but not them. Time to adjust your expectations for this profession. Up is the only way you should be willing to go.
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