I see they are giving us a credit for expected captain attrition. Apparantly that's how the longevity "problem" gets solved. We will see how the final contract language reads.

I am a BIG NO for so many reasons. Our union is weak, I just hope our pilots have the intelligence to see thru this. There is NO fleet plan or any guarantee of any amount of flying. Sure there is enhanced "Flow", but what good is that when there is no hiring or a merger takes place an hiring gets prolonged even longer.
This proposal is a giant turd all around.
Take it to the judge!

So they offer AA crap, then threaten an even larger pile of crap while offering Eagle something "not so bad", complete with the rates for larger RJs that APA voted to avoid being outsourced. How's that for a run-on sentence? And how's all that going to workout for the relationship between AE and AA? Beware Eagle guys! I feel for you guys... Not easy times. Truly hope the best for all of you.

It mentions the CRJ 900 and E 175 to be flown with 79 seats but under the 76 seater rate, if company takes delivery of a different type then they will have to negotiate new pay. In other words they want their current 70 seater pay to include the 79 seaters.

Only for 4 years, then we negotiate the rates for larger than 76 seats.

I am in no way a cheerleader for this TA, but those of you saying "take it to the judge" need to look at how these things have gone in the past. It NEVER works out in the pilot group's favor. Yes we will be able to negotiate a new contract after we emerge from BK, you have to remember how long it takes to get a GOOD contract negotiated. It takes SEVERAL years. Can you live under the AMR term sheet for possibly 2-5 years?

Just playing devil's advocate. I think there is still work to be done, but it looks much better than it did at the beginning.

Now, instead of playing devils advocate based upon past contract negotiations... Play devils advocate for contract talks in the middle of a pilot shortage your CEO has been writing to everybody including the president about.

Grow a pair and stop lowering the bar. We took the stand, why don't you support us for a change and stand up for your profession.

I want to see some contract language before making up my mind, but that is certainly a lot better then the 1113 term sheet. I'll have to study it some more but could vote yes based on what I've seen.

[QUOTE=love2av8;1242863]I am a BIG NO for so many reasons. Our union is weak, I just hope our pilots have the intelligence to see thru this. There is NO fleet plan or any guarantee of any amount of flying. Sure there is enhanced "Flow", but what good is that when there is no hiring or a merger takes place an hiring gets prolonged even longer.
This proposal is a giant turd all around.
Take it to the judge![/

Eagle flyinging is going to be given away. The union gave away the only thing keeping your jobs secure..... The planes. There is a reason a certain regional is having over water traing and planning to do red white and blue flying out of miami. Father Bedford is in Dallas working on taking eagle flying....he happens to be BFF's with your CEO. Sadly the pilot group is not smart enough to vote no on this.

Best post I've seen all day!