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Originally Posted by B767 (Post 1243141)

You're wrong. Captains aren't getting a pay cut. You reading the same term sheet? Also, we dont have CRJ900/E175 pay rates. We have CRJ700 pay rates that will be used for the 900/175, for 4 years. And pay banding, meaning there will most likely be a few captains on the 700/900/175 flying at E145 rates.

Sorry. I thought it stated a 2.5% cut for captains. And you're right, planes that wil most likely never be seen at Eagle will be flown at 70 seat rates.

One thing I forgot to mention was the new hire +1 training event. Isn't that what we have now?

TC

You're correct. Under AIP there's no cut to captains pay and the 1113 has a 2.5% cut.

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Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 1243145)

Sorry. I thought it stated a 2.5% cut for captains. And you're right, planes that wil most likely never be seen at Eagle will be flown at 70 seat rates.

That's why I'm a no vote. Doesn't matter if anyone believes we will see the planes here or not. We vote that agreement in alone, flying 900/175 at 700 rates, it sets a precedent. The same precedent set by an airline years ago whose-name-tends-to-close-threads-so-they-will-go-un-named.

I'd bet if we vote that in we'll get the flying because we would have cheaper labor on those aircraft. Then the whipsaw begins. RAH and SKW then say they need a pay cut to remain competitive on the flying of those aircraft. Then in 4 years when its time for us to negotiate new pay rates the company will say no, we need what we have, or perhaps another cut. Thus, the cycle continues

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Originally Posted by B767 (Post 1243159)

Goes farther back than that. When UAL was in BK and putting the squeeze on the UAX carriers, SkyWest agreed to fly 700/900s for their 50 seat rate.

Lasted years.

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Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 1243138)

Nope. No fleet plan or minimum block hours. I'm sure Transtate Holdings is chomping at the bit as well.

How's Compass treating you Mr. Moon?

Eh, it is a job. Mostly the same crap as Comair, but with much less communication and acars.

Oh an we have contract negotiations coming up, so I'm sure that will be a nightmare.

Hope things get smoothed out at AE and we all can move on from the regionals.

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Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 1243136)

I'm not sure how I'm going to vote until I see the details but here are a couple of my thoughts.

PBS: might work out in some ways. Being relatively junior in my base I would love to be able to bid days off and have a schedule built around that. Instead I have to try to bid a crappy line ( reserve or hard line ) try to trip trade and see "denied due to staffing".

Sick & Vacation in one bucket: We're giving up a week of vacation but we can now use the sick time we accrue. Seems like a wash as the company will smack your balls if you try using all your sick time anyways.

Home Reserve: with a positive spaced ticket this could really work out for us commuters. It would be nice to give up the crash pad. Again I need to see the language.

Captains are taking 2.5% pay cut. Well I'm in the what about me generation and I doubt I'll ever be a captain at AE.

Saabs, CRJ's and E175's oh my....could care less. We had E175 pay rates at Comair and the airplane was never flown by a Comair pilot. There is no doubt that Skywest and Republic are going to be given planes and routes. This particular item is in the hands of mainline.

Flow and Furlough....Pffft. You can put that next to the Charmin. Furlough protection has never worked and AA still hasn't had a use for the 200+ guys now at Eagle.

So for me it all comes down to the language.

Tell me where I'm wrong.

TC

Someone already corrected a lot of your mistakes here, I suggest you go back and read the AIP. Home based lines, if required you will have to travel on your days off and will not be paid for it or reimbursed for it plus you will be traveling space available.

I vote no for two reason
1. fly bigger planes for the same i make now.
2. Teach union a lesson for giving away our only leverage before bk.

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Originally Posted by samballs (Post 1243280)

I vote no for two reason
1. fly bigger planes for the same i make now.
2. Teach union a lesson for giving away our only leverage before bk.

I think I'm going to vote no because this is a sham of a bankruptcy. Unfortunately, all the captains I'm flying with are so worried about being the next Comair that they are going to cave.

There are zero fleet guarantees and no block hour guarantees.

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Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 1243387)

I agree this will pass. That's a shame. Management everywhere will point to comair now. Ill take a block guarantee. But when we were at comair we learned what a fleet guarantee gets ya, 37 aircraft parked in remote.

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I read some PBS propaganda down in the crew room not too long ago..hidden in the fine print it said PBS cuts staffing needs by something like 10%...so IF we keep all the flying we currently have, that's like what..300 more furloughs?

I understand how PBS is more efficient financially, but it's not too great for those of us in the bottom 10-15%