eaglefly

Your vote means little as your situation is all but a done deal. Has AMR included ALPA's contract for abrogation ?

BTW, word has it Republic may be getting the 1 E-175 for every 2 E-135/140/145's Eagle returns. Eagle would get additional CRJ-700/900's and keep some remaining 145's and be a 150-175 aircraft airline. Pinnacle will be losing a lot of their Delta ops and will have surplus pilots for Republic and Eagle pilots may get preferential hiring at RAH for their expansion, so the transition should be doable. Comair will have pilots too. Look for another turboprop operator out of MIA.

That would give 2 large RJ operators for AA with contracts prior to any merger with U. Once merged the U feeder system would be condensed and streamlined to match AA's feed system, ultimately resulting in perhaps 5-6 carriers, including at least one turboprop operator and perhaps 2.

Is this source accurate ?

We shall see. Whatever happens, I don't see any unemployment for Eagle pilots going forward, not that you care.

eaglefly

Not sure seniority has to do with anything. Then again, I had the same beliefs when I was senior to you at Eagle.

DashDriverYV

You certainly don't need some sort of inside knowledge to agree with this. The company and union have been stating this for the past year, albeit with less detail. Eagle will be spun off and AA feed will be diversified. Eagle will not get all of the flying. The airframes will be added using the Delta blueprint, keep them on the AA certificate and contract out the pilots only. Why do you thing all of our current embraers have are owned by American Airlines? They
could pull those planes tomorrow and give them to Republic without adding a single new plane.

johnso29

If you want to fly bigger airplanes, you should've left AE. Instead, you chose to stay.

johnso29

I wouldn't be surprised to see Pinnacle shut down. DAL sells the CRJ200's(there are buyers interested since they're some of the youngest CRJ200s around) and then uses the CRJ900's to swap out with older CRJ200's on a 2:1 ratio. This way DAL easily rids themselves of 200+ 50 seaters.

lakehouse

Also could be 375 RJs flying for AA, thats about 125 more planes than right now. This also leaves room for other turbo props on top of that. It is not impossible that Eagle will be 250 airplanes, with 150 outsourced, well outsourced again since Eagle is already outsourced. Not saying that is the most likely outcome, but it is still possible. The ability for place to hire over the next 12 months and industry movement will be the biggest factor.

DashDriverYV

Sure there will be a net increase in rj's for AA, and eagle won't be completely dissolved. The end solution is whatever whipsaws us into the lowest wages and biggest concessions. And all of this will take some time to do, but not forever. How long did it take skywest to replace mesa dash's and crj's?
The only thing that may slow this is the lack of furloughed regional pilot applying to the replacement carrier. If I'm furloughed, I won't be seeking employment at republic, skywest, etc. And that is one less ATP available come August.

eaglefly

Wouldn't surprise me either.

D B Cooper

I'm curious, what happens if you vote no?

eaglefly

No pay or pension cuts for Eagle pilots. Eagle sill has a much higher number of very senior pilots in the 15-20 year range whose compensation is well above the senior cadre at RAH and others. Additionally, a large number of F/O's are topped out as well. If RAH expands, many of those seats on both sides of the cockpit will be comparatively junior and much cheaper. Not sure what the senior F/O's close to upgrade at RAH are but, my guess is 5 years.

If RAH puts an E-175 on line for AA, they'll have a 5-6 year captain and a 1-2 year F/O or perhaps even a new-hire. At the next gate, an Eagle CRJ-700 or 900 will have a 15-25 year captain and a 3-6 year F/O. Spread over a hundred or so aircraft, that can be a big deal and tough to undercut.

Curious why AMR pulled the compensation demands, but kept the outsourcing abilities in their latest offer ?

If the plan is to move quickly through the process and ultimately outsource, perhaps it's best to leave compensation alone to get the vote passed (provided there is even a vote) and then pull the rug out to get the real cost savings via outsourcing ?

No need to undercut.

I've talked to a dozen or so guys at Eagle with AA numbers and virtually all of them plan to stay at Eagle even if the place goes down the crapper. Apparently, they believe they'll at least be at the top of the ****pile and above the worst of it, flying a 64-79 seater with job security as opposed to sweating it out at the bottom of AA. Not that they have a high likelihood of flow thru any time soon.