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Old 08-30-2012 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by What
Are we bankrupt, or are we a profitable company who leads the industry in revenue units and are under bankruptcy protection for reorganization. there is a difference. How come they didn't file the mechanics 1113 yet, they voted it down and the company said they "may" file. They haven't filled 1113 for any Eagle workgroup as of yet, why is that... I don't know but there has to be a reason an is not kindness of heart!

American Eagle Holdings is hiring FA, Mechanics and ramp personnel. THe company will do what it will do, 43.1 million is not going to alter their plan, they will get saving one way or the other.
+1, I am voting no because of this, and because I want to send a clear message that TEAM TONY MUST GO!
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Old 08-30-2012 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by rickt86
+1, I am voting no because of this, and because I want to send a clear message that TEAM TONY MUST GO!
Yesterday the mechanics got a new term sheet that the company says it will file and impose if granted by the judge.

"Today, we are presenting the proposed terms that the Company intends to implement, should the Bankruptcy Court grant our Section 1113 motion to reject our collective bargaining agreement with the AMT and Related employees. Absent a consensual agreement on this proposal, the Company intends to file its motion for rejection next week.
Today’sproposaldiffersfromtheoriginalMarch2s1t1113 proposalfortheAMTand Related group in that certain terms reflect the fact that the Company has agreed with some positions taken by the union negotiators, during the period that we’ve been negotiating, including issues of valuation. With the failure of our tentative agreement, this proposal reflects our best judgment on what the Company needs to successfully reorganize, and we will move quickly to take the steps necessary"

http://aa.twu.org/LinkClick.aspx?fil...%3d&tabid=1494
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Old 08-30-2012 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by rickt86
+1, I am voting no because of this, and because I want to send a clear message that TEAM TONY MUST GO!
You are not sending anything by doing so. AMR will file 1113 next week to every group that votes NO.
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Old 08-30-2012 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
You are not sending anything by doing so. AMR will file 1113 next week to every group that votes NO.
I really doubt that!
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Old 08-30-2012 | 08:49 PM
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so if we vote no, then we get a LBFO, so our current one is only the 2nd to last best final offer?? Sounds like a no to me.
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Old 08-30-2012 | 09:00 PM
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Im a no vote just because they haven't filed it yet. Why give them concessions if we don't have Fleet Plan? The union said "No fleet plan, no TA", and suddenly "Ohhh we have a API"...

Screw them...

Btw anyone that have seniority number below 2,000 should vote no, why?

Because the so called "95% furloughs protection" is based in 200 planes.
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Old 08-30-2012 | 09:19 PM
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if you between 2000 and 3000 seniority, you are not included in the furlough protection at all!!

You have been left behind! Its clear AMR has a plan to make Eagle a 200 airplane airline. The question at this point is when will that plan actually happen, and how many pilots will be here then anyway!
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Old 08-31-2012 | 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by rickt86
The question at this point is when will that plan actually happen, and how many pilots will be here then anyway!
By the end of 2013. They are accelerating the retirements of the 135's-140's with a possible furlough of 1000 pilots.
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Old 08-31-2012 | 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by rickt86
if you between 2000 and 3000 seniority, you are not included in the furlough protection at all!!

You have been left behind! Its clear AMR has a plan to make Eagle a 200 airplane airline. The question at this point is when will that plan actually happen, and how many pilots will be here then anyway!
Word from our side of the fortress is you guys are less than 270 airframes now; will shrink to 205ish before growing back to 230ish. The rest to be outsourced to other vendors.

Personally, I think Eagle will shrink to the 200ish and stay there as none of the regionals will be able to attract or retain pilots.
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Old 08-31-2012 | 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
By the end of 2013. They are accelerating the retirements of the 135's-140's with a possible furlough of 1000 pilots.
Was going to happen anyway. Just happening sooner.
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