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Old 09-14-2012 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by xjtguy
Thanks, but I've ALREADY been through the continuous RFP/shifting of flying/lowest bidder/downgrade/displacement/paycuts/furlough/CH11/company shut down before I even went to XJT. Got hired at XJT, and got to see ALL but the last 2 items AGAIN.

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Well then, at least the future will be of no surprise to you. The dizzying ride will not only continue but intensify.
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Old 09-14-2012 | 01:56 PM
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Given the company (EGL) in the same breath mentioned no furloughs with this shift in 50-seat flying and actually expects to hire tells me all of this is an an effort to distance itself from low-margin, short-haul flying as is done in LA. All of that to say the guys and gals at EGL can expect new larger, shiny airplanes soon. Scratch that shiny comment. They've announced new branding is in the works for both EGL and AA and it prob means an end to the polished look. Crandell's vision of EGL's ultimate role is taking hold I suspect.
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Old 09-14-2012 | 06:59 PM
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The sad sad sad truth is this;

When you ACTUALLY separate/make the distinction between the pilot profession and running a regional airline, MatchPoint is right.

Since 9/11, Jerry has done NOTHING but grow SkyWest Inc and for the most part, keep the shareholders happy.

Not that long ago, before Reverend Bedford went off the reservation, the SAME could be said for him. He took CHQ from a crappy little turbo prop operator with a single mainline partner to what they were right before he went nuts with Midwest/Frontier.

AGAIN, you have to separate the pilot career from running a business/being a CEO understand what MatchPoint is getting at.
Sadly most pilots are incapable of seeing the other side. I have 2 business degrees and many years of experience so I see what Jerry has done and I am impressed. I know I am now "labor" but to succeed you must have a good working relationship with mgt. and yes that's a 2 way street. Just as we need to work with them, they need to work with us and that's exactly what Jerry understands.
Work with you? Wake up, he really doesn't do that. You do understand that he has an employment/compensation contract? There is a really good reason for that. Yeah, he is definitely the smarter of the bunch over there.
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Old 09-14-2012 | 07:17 PM
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Dont post much on here but down the road im thinking Skywest will buy Eagle. I think they just wanted LAX in a swap for all the ramp eagle picked up from them. Just a thought, but who really knows. But i think something bigger is around the corner for us Eagle people.
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Old 09-15-2012 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Roger Murdock
Dont post much on here but down the road im thinking Skywest will buy Eagle. I think they just wanted LAX in a swap for all the ramp eagle picked up from them. Just a thought, but who really knows. But i think something bigger is around the corner for us Eagle people.
There is no clear answer to what happened between AMR and the leaser of the ERJs, rumor has it that it didn't go well and that AMR was told keep them all or return them, most of these ERJ leases are coming up and it seems AMR will be returning most if not all of them, we have been told the ERJ 135's will be returned by next year end and the ERJ 140's are not far behind. The question is how these returns are taking place, is it an exchange or just a straight return. AMR needed to move some of the ERJ to the east coast while Sky West had some aircraft available out west, AMR wants to diverstify their feed and this allows them to start the process. What will happen with the larger Rj's is still up in the air, will AMR continue the relationship with RAH still in the air as well. Skywest will supply the aircraft, maintenance and crews while AMR will control everything else. Likely we will see other feeder join in out in the east cost likely and ORD, many rumor, many volutes but that is all that is happening at this time. Eagle is recalling and hiring, i suspect it will be hard to recruit as we don't have a fleet size projection and we are about to vote on a TA while still in BK. It is likely over the next few weeks that AMR will announce and aircraft order of larger RJ as we vote and as AA's new negotiations gain track they will announce recalls and that will include 230 or so Eagle captains that have the option to flow (how many will go it is still in the air). As far as SKW owning Eagle, is you are AMR you will likely not do this as this will give SKW to much control over the market feed and will be harder to whipsaw. AMR is very controlling and you can see that in the terms that we can read in regards to the SKW CPA! Much is in the air, the sky is not falling at least yet, if you came to eagle between summer 2010 and spring 2011 you are still standing in a getter position that if you would have gone to RAH, SKW and other places as you still have somewhere between 600 to 400 pilots below you but we know things change quite fast in the industry and the next few things will be likely to tell a lot as Delta continues to announce parking 50 seaters, United continues with their TA and American distributes large RJ flying.
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Old 09-15-2012 | 06:33 AM
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There is no clear answer to what happened between AMR and the leaser of the ERJs, rumor has it that it didn't go well and that AMR was told keep them all or return them, most of these ERJ leases are coming up and it seems AMR will be returning most if not all of them, we have been told the ERJ 135's will be returned by next year end and the ERJ 140's are not far behind. The question is how these returns are taking place, is it an exchange or just a straight return. AMR needed to move some of the ERJ to the east coast while Sky West had some aircraft available out west, AMR wants to diverstify their feed and this allows them to start the process. What will happen with the larger Rj's is still up in the air, will AMR continue the relationship with RAH still in the air as well. Skywest will supply the aircraft, maintenance and crews while AMR will control everything else. Likely we will see other feeder join in out in the east cost likely and ORD, many rumor, many volutes but that is all that is happening at this time. Eagle is recalling and hiring, i suspect it will be hard to recruit as we don't have a fleet size projection and we are about to vote on a TA while still in BK. It is likely over the next few weeks that AMR will announce and aircraft order of larger RJ as we vote and as AA's new negotiations gain track they will announce recalls and that will include 230 or so Eagle captains that have the option to flow (how many will go it is still in the air). As far as SKW owning Eagle, is you are AMR you will likely not do this as this will give SKW to much control over the market feed and will be harder to whipsaw. AMR is very controlling and you can see that in the terms that we can read in regards to the SKW CPA! Much is in the air, the sky is not falling at least yet, if you came to eagle between summer 2010 and spring 2011 you are still standing in a getter position that if you would have gone to RAH, SKW and other places as you still have somewhere between 600 to 400 pilots below you but we know things change quite fast in the industry and the next few things will be likely to tell a lot as Delta continues to announce parking 50 seaters, United continues with their TA and American distributes large RJ flying.
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Old 09-15-2012 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by What
There is no clear answer to what happened between AMR and the leaser of the ERJs, rumor has it that it didn't go well and that AMR was told keep them all or return them, most of these ERJ leases are coming up and it seems AMR will be returning most if not all of them, we have been told the ERJ 135's will be returned by next year end and the ERJ 140's are not far behind. The question is how these returns are taking place, is it an exchange or just a straight return. AMR needed to move some of the ERJ to the east coast while Sky West had some aircraft available out west, AMR wants to diverstify their feed and this allows them to start the process. What will happen with the larger Rj's is still up in the air, will AMR continue the relationship with RAH still in the air as well. Skywest will supply the aircraft, maintenance and crews while AMR will control everything else. Likely we will see other feeder join in out in the east cost likely and ORD, many rumor, many volutes but that is all that is happening at this time. Eagle is recalling and hiring, i suspect it will be hard to recruit as we don't have a fleet size projection and we are about to vote on a TA while still in BK. It is likely over the next few weeks that AMR will announce and aircraft order of larger RJ as we vote and as AA's new negotiations gain track they will announce recalls and that will include 230 or so Eagle captains that have the option to flow (how many will go it is still in the air). As far as SKW owning Eagle, is you are AMR you will likely not do this as this will give SKW to much control over the market feed and will be harder to whipsaw. AMR is very controlling and you can see that in the terms that we can read in regards to the SKW CPA! Much is in the air, the sky is not falling at least yet, if you came to eagle between summer 2010 and spring 2011 you are still standing in a getter position that if you would have gone to RAH, SKW and other places as you still have somewhere between 600 to 400 pilots below you but we know things change quite fast in the industry and the next few things will be likely to tell a lot as Delta continues to announce parking 50 seaters, United continues with their TA and American distributes large RJ flying.
What happened to the days of paragraph?
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Old 09-15-2012 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by CriticalMach
What happened to the days of paragraph?
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Old 09-15-2012 | 11:39 AM
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No grammar police, just make postings more readable.

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Old 09-15-2012 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by todd1200
Which part is wrong? You're saying ExpressJet won't be operating CRJs out of DFW? I do agree that it is wrong to gloat about gaining flying while crews at another carrier are being displaced, but I think most of the anger is misplaced. This isn't a whipsaw in the traditional sense: Flying is being shifted to a higher paid pilot group. As pilots, the only control we have over the situation is the contract that we agree to work under. ExpressJet/ASA's current contract appears to better than Eagle's, so as pilots, we did not contribute to "stealing" the flying. If we took paycuts or something I could understand the anger, but as it is, anger directed at ExpressJet/Skywest crews is misplaced.
I was wrong about CRJs in DFW, sorry.

Let me clarify about the loss of LAX and DFW flying... Be gracious in your good fortune! It's in bad taste to gloat when it's at the expense of other pilots livelihoods.
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