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Old 09-12-2012 | 06:03 AM
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YAY guys, here we go with some more animosity between regional pilot groups..!
Pfff, animosity? HIGH FIVES ALL AROUND
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Old 09-12-2012 | 06:05 AM
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Unfortunately, this is the future. You will all be pitted against each other having to defend your flying periodically FROM each other as outsourced contractors. Difficult how to see that not getting emotional.
I understand, my friend. How do you think my employer and all of the pilots felt when L-UAL said BYEEEE and gave all our flying, which we flew for a couple decades, to mostly gojets and some others?
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Old 09-12-2012 | 06:11 AM
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I understand, my friend. How do you think my employer and all of the pilots felt when L-UAL said BYEEEE and gave all our flying, which we flew for a couple decades, to mostly gojets and some others?
It's good to be grounded regarding the reality of the future. Sounds like you are. Hopefully more will begin to understand that afte living like that for awhile, the E-175 (or equivalent) isn't really that shiny after all.
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Old 09-12-2012 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Unfortunately, this is the future. You will all be pitted against each other having to defend your flying periodically FROM each other as outsourced contractors. Difficult how to see that not getting emotional.
Isn't it about time we all seriously consider a national senority list? Or a national regional specific union.. If this latest round of turmoil doesn't make the case, what's it going to take?
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Old 09-12-2012 | 06:46 AM
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Isn't it about time we all seriously consider a national senority list? Or a national regional specific union.. If this latest round of turmoil doesn't make the case, what's it going to take?
It's going to take SOOOO much more than we (the pilots) are capable of.. Money talks louder than we do, my man..
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Old 09-12-2012 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Yes, the joy of possibly benefitting from another's loss is still alive and well in the airline pilot profession. I understand you may say you didn't mean it like that, but isn't it interesting that's the first reaction ?
As an XJT guy, I just can't get too excited about gaining on someone elses loss. I can't speak for everyone but I believe most of us feel the same way.

BTW: You don't want to see some of the comments on the company website. Way too many "Hurray", "Yeah" and "Great job getting this flying" comments, mostly from FAs and various ground personnel.
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Old 09-12-2012 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
The downside is that once this model is in place, everyone ends up being the side that "sucks". In the not to distant future, that reality will be back around to tap you on the shoulder and you'll have decide how cheap you're willing to work for or watch your flying shifted elsewhere.

You're on top this go around, so enjoy it, but within 4 years someone else will be repeating your words back to you on this forum.
That's how the industry functions, haven't you realized this yet? The regionals didn't start operating yesterday.

Why anyone holds any kind of resentment towards any other group of pilots is beyond me. It's not like the pilots went in and took your flying. We are all just chess pieces in this big game being moved around by management without any control over our next move.

If anything you could be resentful to the management group of the other company, but why anyone would feel resentment to other pilots is beyond me. Everyone is here to work and to make money, which in itself is laughable because nobody is making any money. The cake goes around the room. One time you get it, the next time it's someone else and you're left with an empty plate. That is why everyone who has their head on straight should be trying to get out of the regionals, or get out of this sh**ty industry all together.
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Old 09-12-2012 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by stoki
That's how the industry functions, haven't you realized this yet? The regionals didn't start operating yesterday.

Why anyone holds any kind of resentment towards any other group of pilots is beyond me. It's not like the pilots went in and took your flying. We are all just chess pieces in this big game being moved around by management without any control over our next move.

If anything you could be resentful to the management group of the other company, but why anyone would hold a grudge against other pilots is beyond me. Everyone is here to work and to make money, which in itself is laughable because nobody is making any money.
Actually no, the regionals didn't always function that way. If you've been in it 10 years, yes, but 25 years.......no. Yes, you are just chess pieces (pawns actually) and no good chess player concerns themselves too much with the interests of a pawn.
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Old 09-12-2012 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by PBSG
As an XJT guy, I just can't get too excited about gaining on someone elses loss. I can't speak for everyone but I believe most of us feel the same way.

BTW: You don't want to see some of the comments on the company website. Way too many "Hurray", "Yeah" and "Great job getting this flying" comments, mostly from FAs and various ground personnel.
Those are the same people tripping over themselves to praise management for Acey Day. Save for the one douche ATL FO who says the ERJ guys didn't get the flying because we didn't "get on board" (paraphrasing).
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Old 09-12-2012 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JustAMushroom
Isn't it about time we all seriously consider a national senority list? Or a national regional specific union.. If this latest round of turmoil doesn't make the case, what's it going to take?
That would require effort. At Eagle for instance, the pilots have become so meek and complacent, they won't even defend themselves against an obviously corrupt union leadership structure and wander around wondering why they are being screwed and in the position they are in.

Nice idea in theory, but the above example demonstrates it's hopeless in reality.
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