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80ktsClamp 10-07-2012 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1273174)
Once again, to compare what happens to a loved one being murdered, to a job shows how utterly tasteless, classless, and ignorant you are. Nothing compares to the destruction of a human life and all the pain and damage it causes to those that experience such a loss, particularly murder. To compare this to murder is about as stupid as it gets. Grow up and get a clue.

The logic of it remains the same as per your original statements. He has a valid argument...

FlyingKat 10-07-2012 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1273153)
There isn't age discrimination to defend. The trial wouldn't be about age discrimination. It'd be about falsification of legal documentation and lying to a federal agency.

I'm glad you're confident it'll be gone soon, considering the entire reason Age 65 occured was to align with ICAO standards.

I'm so sure the defense attorney is just gonna sit there like a potted plant and do nothing to defend his client. All he has to do is go find the Air Force and neurology experts from UCLA that testified for Hoover to blow the FAA's case for age discrimination out of the water and its all over. But like I said, Federal Prosecutors are not stupid, and they will make this guy and offer he can't refuse and it will go away.

FlyingKat 10-07-2012 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1273159)
Because a requirement to be issued an ATP is to be of good moral character. If someone falsifies documentation and lies to a federal agency to benefit themselves, they certainly haven't maintained that.

While working as a scheduler, I had an FO call me and refuse to fly with a Captain because he was sleeping with another guy's wife and didn't meet the "good moral character" clause and was not fit to hold his ATP. Please tell me this wasn't you.....

FlyingKat 10-07-2012 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1273180)
The logic of it remains the same as per your original statements. He has a valid argument...

Anyone who thinks losing a job, an upgrade, or pay compares in any way to the loss of a life needs to get a serious reality check. Nothing compares to that. I'd point you to the 16 year old girl we had to raise because her mother was blown to pieces by a murderous thug, but if if you're so ignorant as to think that compares to losing your job, I won't waste the time.

LNL76 10-07-2012 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1273188)
Anyone who thinks losing a job, an upgrade, or pay compares in any way to the loss of a life needs to get a serious reality check. Nothing compares to that. I'd point you to the 16 year old girl we had to raise because her mother was blown to pieces by a murderous thug, but if if you're so ignorant as to think that compares to losing your job, I won't waste the time.

I am so sorry to hear what happened. :( That young lady is very lucky to have you in her life to give her some semblance of normalcy after losing her mother in such a horrendous way. I hope the POS who committed the crime fries for this act. :mad:

johnso29 10-07-2012 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1273174)
Once again, to compare what happens to a loved one being murdered, to a job shows how utterly tasteless, classless, and ignorant you are. Nothing compares to the destruction of a human life and all the pain and damage it causes to those that experience such a loss, particularly murder. To compare this to murder is about as stupid as it gets. Grow up and get a clue.

I'm proving the failure of your logic. The point was not to hurt anyone, but to show how ridiculous the basis of your argument is.

AtlCSIP 10-07-2012 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1273159)
Because a requirement to be issued an ATP is to be of good moral character. If someone falsifies documentation and lies to a federal agency to benefit themselves, they certainly haven't maintained that.

It is estimated that 30 to 40 percent of people cheat on their taxes, which would constitute falsifying legal documents. My guess is that some of those people are airline pilots. Does this mean those people are not of good moral charcter? A pilot twists his ankle on an overnight, finishes his trip the next day, then goes to the doctor and finds out his ankle is broken, which disqualifies him medically. He probably should have taken himself off the trip, and has probably violated an FAR by not doing so. Is this guy of moral character? Some guy steals some medication that saves his child's life because he has been out of work for 18 months and really can not find the money to pay for it. Is this guy of moral character? What, exactly, is the definition of moral character? Has the FAA defined it?

My opinion is that the intent of the FAR's, as it relates to this guy, is to protect the public. There has been no evidence, as of yet, that shows that the public was at risk in any way. Was it wrong? Yes. Is it as big a deal as some people would like to make it out to be? Not really. Relax, Francis. It's one guy, and he is never going to fly as PIC again. Not even in a Piper Cub. That, to me, would be worse than anything the court could do to me.

BlueMoon 10-07-2012 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1273186)
While working as a scheduler, I had an FO call me and refuse to fly with a Captain because he was sleeping with another guy's wife and didn't meet the "good moral character" clause and was not fit to hold his ATP. Please tell me this wasn't you.....

I might refuse to fly with that individual too. If I don't respect the individual and think he is a total low-life and I feel that it may effect communication and safety of flight it is my duty to take myself off the trip.

We have all flown with people we don't care for, but there comes a point where you may have to bow out.

johnso29 10-07-2012 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1273186)
While working as a scheduler, I had an FO call me and refuse to fly with a Captain because he was sleeping with another guy's wife and didn't meet the "good moral character" clause and was not fit to hold his ATP. Please tell me this wasn't you.....

Nope, it wasn't me. Good for him though.

80ktsClamp 10-07-2012 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1272991)
I wouldn't worry about it because I only concern myself with what is under my control. Upgrade times, hiring, what others earn really don't concern me. All I worry about is preparing myself or opportunities and then taking them. Whining and crying about things beyond your control is a waste of time.

Here is your original statement, FlyingKat. Do you see where your logic runs invalid or do you really need it broken down for you? Even more ironic with what happened to your family member being murdered, which is absolutely horrible (and wasn't under your control- so why worry?)


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