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johnso29 10-07-2012 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 1273193)
It is estimated that 30 to 40 percent of people cheat on their taxes, which would constitute falsifying legal documents. My guess is that some of those people are airline pilots. Does this mean those people are not of good moral charcter? A pilot twists his ankle on an overnight, finishes his trip the next day, then goes to the doctor and finds out his ankle is broken, which disqualifies him medically. He probably should have taken himself off the trip, and has probably violated an FAR by not doing so. Is this guy of moral character? Some guy steals some medication that saves his child's life because he has been out of work for 18 months and really can not find the money to pay for it. Is this guy of moral character? What, exactly, is the definition of moral character? Has the FAA defined it?

My opinion is that the intent of the FAR's, as it relates to this guy, is to protect the public. There has been no evidence, as of yet, that shows that the public was at risk in any way. Was it wrong? Yes. Is it as big a deal as some people would like to make it out to be? Not really. Relax, Francis. It's one guy, and he is never going to fly as PIC again. Not even in a Piper Cub. That, to me, would be worse than anything the court could do to me.

If someone cheats on their taxes, then they are not of good moral character. I have a metal plate on the outer bone of my left ankle, & the scars to prove it. I didn't break it though, I just fractured it. It was so swollen that it was bigger then my calf, and turned black and blue. I couldn't put any weight on it. I had surgery on it days later(the orthopedic surgeon wanted to operate immediately but it was too swollen)and I was out medically for 3 months. I'm not sure someone could break their ankle, & NOT know it. But if one does break their ankle & somehow doesn't know, then I would say they're clean. WRT someone stealing, they also don't have good moral character. I can't say I wouldn't do so to save my child's life. But it's still wrong.

I'm not saying anyone was in danger. But just because he can still fly well at 69(if he is guilty)it doesn't exempt him from the law.

80ktsClamp 10-07-2012 07:02 PM

The operative phrase was that they were still functional enough to fly and didn't know that they had broken their ankle. That AtlSCIP's argument immediately.

I've twisted my ankle, pulled a calve muscle several times, and gotten various other maladies while running on layovers over the years. I was still perfectly capable of performing my duties so I continued with the trip. Sure, something more could have been wrong, but I had no indication of such as in his example. By Atl's logic, all those walking around with advanced heart disease that don't know it are of poor moral character.

Stealing for your child in that situation I would say is not a reflection on poor moral character. Doing so would likely hinder your ability later on to get a job if you got caught and convicted. Cheating on your taxes- obviously so.

FlyingKat 10-07-2012 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1273198)
Here is your original statement, FlyingKat. Do you see where your logic runs invalid or do you really need it broken down for you? Even more ironic with what happened to your family member being murdered, which is absolutely horrible (and wasn't under your control- so why worry?)


You are making a ridiculous, absolutist argument. I was referring to conditions at work, beyond your control. To compare this to something like murder, is absurd.

lakehouse 10-07-2012 07:16 PM

prior to this entire thing unfolding, in the MIA Crew room Mens room, on the toilet seat cover bin, someone wrote "Captain Bueno for President 2012"......Someone made a nice addition, it now reads "Captain Beuno for 'AARP' President 2012". I got a GREAT laugh when I saw it.

80ktsClamp 10-07-2012 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1273216)
You are making a ridiculous, absolutist argument. I was referring to conditions at work, beyond your control. To compare this to something like murder, is absurd.

Those were your words, not mine. :)

FlyingKat 10-07-2012 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1273221)
Those were your words, not mine. :)

The comparison was yours

AtlCSIP 10-07-2012 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1273208)
The operative phrase was that they were still functional enough to fly and didn't know that they had broken their ankle. That AtlSCIP's argument immediately.

I've twisted my ankle, pulled a calve muscle several times, and gotten various other maladies while running on layovers over the years. I was still perfectly capable of performing my duties so I continued with the trip. Sure, something more could have been wrong, but I had no indication of such as in his example. By Atl's logic, all those walking around with advanced heart disease that don't know it are of poor moral character.

Stealing for your child in that situation I would say is not a reflection on poor moral character. Doing so would likely hinder your ability later on to get a job if you got caught and convicted. Cheating on your taxes- obviously so.

I didn't draw any conclusions or pass any judgement with any of the 3 scenarios I presented. My intention with the ankle was that the guy knew he was out medically, just hasn't been diagnosed. The entire point of my post was to try to stimulate a little rational thought before being so quick to pass judgement, maybe from the 'walk a mile in somebody else's shoes' perspective, and to point out that the 'moral character' issue is actually subjective and undefined.

In case I wasn't clear, I do think that what this guy did was wrong. I don't, however, believe it justifies jail time. Personal opinion.


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