Bending over and taking it is one thing, putting a fight up and taking it is another.

Uh no, I didn't come to Express because of a quick upgrade. Not sure where that comes from seeing as how we have a near 7 year upgrade time right now! :rolleyes:

You would have loved it if we put up a fight, it would have meant more flying for your airline.

To those who valiantly voted NO, may we now expect your letters of resignation? Or are your gonads not quite as big as you would have us believe? Remember, in business, we don't get what we deserve. We get what we negotiate. Period. And considering the landscape, we came out decent. If you beg to differ and find that life at EGL is just too difficult, then on behalf of the 75%, move on. Please.

Who said anything about leaving? I may be disappointed in our pilot group, but I'm not leaving until my AA number is called.

Re-read your post and try to find the irony in it. We did not really negotiate. We accepted the FIRST offer placed in front of us. We no voters simply wanted the ability to CONTINUE to negotiate. You know, give and take? Negotiate?

Ya know...it's funny. Personally, with the exception of one lost week of vacation and some Per Diem, I stand to lose nothing with this contract. I'm senior. Very senior. I'm at the top of the pays scale already. I am already on the CRJ, I will be on the highest pay band. PBS will probably work well for me, again because I'm senior. I have an actual AA seniority number, so I will likely not be around for the long term here. So, basically, this agreement will have no real negative effect on me. I was a NO vote because I did not want to leave the junior pilots and future new hires with this lousy contract, without at least TRYING to improve on the company's offer.

Stupid post.

However first vertical move that opens, I am gone. My airline apps is up to date, and I am keep in touch with people I know at Atlas, Virgin, Jetblue, United, and Miami Air, along with my resume. With the upcoming soft money cuts, I expect to make a few thousand less next year than this year. Once PBS comes I figure most JR fos who do good at trip trading will take a 5-10K/yr cut. I cant afford that.

The upside to this TA is it keeps me motivated to continue career progression.

Did I miss our post that said if this passes we'll quit? We put up a fight to stop this POS, we lost and we knew we would, but at least we have a backbone unlike you 75% 24 yrs 2 contracts way to go. Wait till you see how big a pay cut PBS is, and how bad your QOL becomes. But don't worry you did the right thing. Now go be a tough guy another site, I heard Toy's R Us has a forum.

Not just for you, but for anyone on the outside looking in calling us 'weak' while thumping their chests......................

*No pay cuts -- at least not to hourly rates. However, no IAI (1.5%) raises for 2013.

*Per diem to be cut by something like $0.10 per hour, but this will still leave us in the top of the industry. Annual raises to per diem to resume in 2 years, I think?

*Captains will transition to a 'pay banding' system. Your pay is no longer determined by 'equipment,' it's determined by straight seniority. All current CRJ pilots (even the most junior) get 'red-circled' so they keep their pay -- as they would likely fall into the EMB or even the ATR band. Pay bands are determined by how many Captains are required to staff a fleet type. If that number were, say 200 for the CRJ, the 200 most senior Captains, even if EMB pilots, would get CRJ pay. As an EMB pilot, when enough people senior to you leave and you crack the top 200, you go from EMB pay to CRJ pay the next day.

People don't like the above because it will mean future CRJ pilots flying the plane for EMB rates. OTOH, this will also mean EMB pilots earning CRJ pay. The purpose of this is to 'discourage' pilots on smaller equipment bidding a larger plane just for the payraise.

*PBS, to be implemented in 14-18 months. We hope it'll be similar to Skywest's or ASA or whoever it is that actually 'likes' theirs. If not implemented, Captains take a 7% paycut.

*No more straight seniority based RSV system. We transition to a time balancing system where once you hit 75 hours of credit (our RSV guarantee), you can no longer be used unless no one else is available. This is to minimize instances where one pilot flys/earns 95hours in a month, while another pilot flies 0 and gets paid for 75. Our proferring remains intact, otherwise.

*Some minor improvements to RSV -- no longer need to call to be released (just have to check schedule) following reserve flying. If turned back, it can only be done once per sequence (unlimited today).

*Traditional paid vacation and sick to be replaced by a Personal Time Off (PTO) system that lumps pay for sick/fatigue calls, vacation, personal vacation days (PVD) into one large bank. No changes to how many weeks of vacation we bid per year (2 weeks years 0-4, 3 weeks for 5-14, etc.). I know I will make out like a bandit on this, since I haven't called in sick in nearly 6 years!

*Unrestricted and unblocked OT (some guys are creaming themselves over this one, not realizing that with PBS there will much less OT to be had).

*NYC co-domicile to be established in lieu of separate JFK/LGA domiciles. Locals get parking passes for both airports. Commuters (on reserve) get a monthly $200 for home airport parking/NYC transportation expenses. Company covers costs of transportation between airports that are part of the sequence. They have to end you at the airport you started, i.e cannot start you at JFK and then leave you high-and-dry at LGA at the end of the trip, though the pilot has the option of release at the other airport if s/he chooses. NYC callout time goes to 3 hours (versus 2hrs for the rest of the system).

*Amendment round in 2016. I'm a little fuzzy on the details, but a lot of people are worried about language allowing the company to cut longevity to be in line with the rest of the industry.

I think these are the general highlights, but if anyone has additions/corrections, please feel free to raise them.

Now for anyone who would bash us for ratifying, can you honestly say certain aspects of YOUR CBA are that much more superior?! Ok, I think we're the first to get co-domicile, but other than that? Yes, we were fed a lot of fear grenades on what would happen if we voted this down. Many unknowns on where we'd be TODAY if the result went the other direction. I voted no, but in a way am relieved that this part is behind us now.

Totally agree.. I'm starting my 3rd year pay next month, and I'm pretty sure I will not see the difference with this year. :mad:

Plus I'm going to lose my 15 days off line! :@

I think you guys should be more worried about keeping your jobs. Your union already screwed you guys over by giving away all your planes. With the TA passed AA doesn't have to worry about eagle and and is free to give away your flying. You guys didn't even negotiate a good contract that actually has real job protection. Plus voting yes hurts the AA pilots who actually have some back bone.