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Starscream 10-09-2012 08:49 AM

PBS is NOT going to be here overnight.

Will take AT LEAST 14 months to implement. Could take up to 18 months (that's a year and a half).

The only impact to FO compensation in the short term is the per diem hit.

buddies8 10-09-2012 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by 121isnofun (Post 1273921)
To those who valiantly voted NO, may we now expect your letters of resignation? Or are your gonads not quite as big as you would have us believe? Remember, in business, we don't get what we deserve. We get what we negotiate. Period. And considering the landscape, we came out decent. If you beg to differ and find that life at EGL is just too difficult, then on behalf of the 75%, move on. Please.

my gonads are fine thank you. your must need viagra. the no voters had the gonads to go to court while those who voted yes did not wish to go to court. where did anyone say they will leave AE if this ta passed. what you think we are all democrats that threaten to leave the united states if they dont get there way.

i truly hope you are in the 2000 seniority number (not) because that is the only way you wil stay employed as a junior first officer.

please go back to sleep.

WmuGrad07 10-09-2012 10:09 AM

I don't understand how anyone could think eagle pilots have any ground to stand on with a no vote. We own no planes and to go to court they would only take away more than the TA that was passed. The reason AA pilots can get away with what they have been is because they're mainline. If we did half the stuff they've been doing we would watch our tail numbers being flown by XJT with a 60 day notice.

This is something none of us wanted, but the judge wouldn't give us anything better. If you think they would you're fooling yourself. It's bankruptcy, not a pilot pity party. It doesn't matter that we are profitable on our own, it's about AA. And to take whatever the judge throws at us and then fight it we would for sure accept a new name of comair and watch our ship sink too.

buddies8 10-09-2012 10:19 AM

you fail to realize that there is a process to follow, both company and union prior to the judge ruling on a 1113. the maintenance guys are negotiated and made better there ta as they see it, there next vote will tell. all this while the company filed for a 1113. the yea voters were simply afraid. your mec waived your contractual rights to go with the airplanes to aa when they were transfered, remember when you voted to change scope for that pref hiring maybe sometime job at aa.

when was the last time this pilot group did stand up to the company, thats right it was 1996. well you may get another chance to vote on something in 8 to 10 years maybe. you gave that away also, a lot of yes voters did not even realize that. what a bunch of scared weasels. just the facts mam.

eaglefly 10-09-2012 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by AllisonRR (Post 1273727)
You have no idea what you are talking about.... How can you say that we are lowering the bar when an 1113 is much worse than our TA! I hope you never have to be in bankruptcy... But, hold on it wouldn't matter because you wouldn't believe lawyers, the union or anyone who disagrees with you! Didn't you go to express jet because of a quick upgrade anyways ???? Spineless and pansies !!!! Dude get lost...

1113's are always a worst case scenario and your union and their lawyers fleeced you. Could you post the 1113 that was filed against ALPA in court here ?

I can't find it and I'd love to read the specifics.

eaglefly 10-09-2012 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by 121isnofun (Post 1273921)
To those who valiantly voted NO, may we now expect your letters of resignation? Or are your gonads not quite as big as you would have us believe? Remember, in business, we don't get what we deserve. We get what we negotiate. Period. And considering the landscape, we came out decent. If you beg to differ and find that life at EGL is just too difficult, then on behalf of the 75%, move on. Please.

Man, I'd love to be in your management. I could push you around as I saw fit and not only would not resist, you'd actually agree with me. :cool:

eaglefly 10-09-2012 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by subrat (Post 1274014)
I think you guys should be more worried about keeping your jobs. Your union already screwed you guys over by giving away all your planes. With the TA passed AA doesn't have to worry about eagle and and is free to give away your flying. You guys didn't even negotiate a good contract that actually has real job protection. Plus voting yes hurts the AA pilots who actually have some back bone.

You get it. Many of these poor guys fail to accept the fact they are different from most all other regionals and that is they work for an "airline" that doesn't own any airplanes. It's now a "pseudo airline". For the near term, they serve a purpose and that is to operate their current fleet until some or all of it can be transferred or eliminated. What role they play or how much "work" they'll have in he future is both unknown and optional.

The only thing for certain is whatever it becomes, they will have nothing to say about it being strictly listeners from here on out.

eaglefly 10-09-2012 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by WmuGrad07 (Post 1274049)
I don't understand how anyone could think eagle pilots have any ground to stand on with a no vote. We own no planes and to go to court they would only take away more than the TA that was passed. The reason AA pilots can get away with what they have been is because they're mainline. If we did half the stuff they've been doing we would watch our tail numbers being flown by XJT with a 60 day notice.

This is something none of us wanted, but the judge wouldn't give us anything better. If you think they would you're fooling yourself. It's bankruptcy, not a pilot pity party. It doesn't matter that we are profitable on our own, it's about AA. And to take whatever the judge throws at us and then fight it we would for sure accept a new name of comair and watch our ship sink too.

That's what your union told you and it's all B.S. It matters little now as you'll have to suck on it for 8 years, if you last that long.

D B Cooper 10-09-2012 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1274085)
That's what your union told you and it's all B.S. It matters little now as you'll have to suck on it for 8 years, if you last that long.

+1.

So when do you guys vote on a new airline name?

Sailor 10-09-2012 12:08 PM


PBS is NOT going to be here overnight.

Will take AT LEAST 14 months to implement. Could take up to 18 months (that's a year and a half).

The only impact to FO compensation in the short term is the per diem hit.
Thanks for some of the highlights, glad to hear you guys are done with the dealing of your QoL...However now is time to live what you fought so hard for.

You say the aren't pay cuts,.
I say PBS is a pay cut.

Hopefully you guys can wing it and survive to fight again. I've 6 old AE friends, all voted no, all sr CA's.


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