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Old 01-03-2013 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by shimmydamp
If the TA passes, Delta isn't going to shutdown an airline with 12 year CA and 4 year FO payscales, meager payrates, and a 401k built to discourage lifers. They are going to use it to whipsaw the other DCI carriers.
Yes they will shut it down. They will use to bring everyone else's cost in line, then they will shut it down. Those that don't believe this are in denial. A few years from now, I will dig up these posts and tell you, "I told you so." It is what it is.
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Old 01-03-2013 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Yes they will shut it down. They will use to bring everyone else's cost in line, then they will shut it down. Those that don't believe this are in denial. A few years from now, I will dig up these posts and tell you, "I told you so." It is what it is.
There are plenty examples of being wholly owned working out for the regional partner. See compass and express1/pncl. We just can't know at this point
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Old 01-03-2013 | 02:24 PM
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Ahhh this sucks....

Hey Mav, do you still have the number of that truck driving school?
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Old 01-03-2013 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by HIREME
There are plenty examples of being wholly owned working out for the regional partner. See compass and express1/pncl. We just can't know at this point
And plenty of examples of stagnation and extremely long upgrade times, Eagle, Piedmont, Horizon, etc....
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Old 01-03-2013 | 02:47 PM
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In related news, Delta posted positions for new managers of subsidiary airlines flight operations, human resources, regulatory compliance, diversity, marketing, accounts payable, receivable, inflight, below wing, cargo, technology, maintence, ground service maintenance, safety, labor relations and related secretarial positions. After trying unsuccessfully to buy back the Comair HQ they just built, then shut down at a loss of 30 million, they have worked out a 18 percent loan to build a new Delta xpress tower, where regional outsourcing can be coordinated while ensuring employment for friends, family and those who want to supplement their retirement income.

There is also a manager to coordinate management among the redundant departments. This much redundancy requires a lot of coordination and meetings.

ALPA's President stated that he is glad his kids now all have jobs in airline management ....

just kidding, I think....
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Old 01-03-2013 | 02:51 PM
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Did everyone notice the 100 airframe reduction ? They are going to ask you to vote for a contact that puts 66% of you out of work?

****** them burn it to the ground.
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Old 01-03-2013 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Yes they will shut it down. They will use to bring everyone else's cost in line, then they will shut it down. Those that don't believe this are in denial. A few years from now, I will dig up these posts and tell you, "I told you so." It is what it is.
And then you'll ask we call you the oracle?

Other regional airlines that may not exist in 7 years... (based on the new FT/DT regs and equipment flown) Commutair, Silver, Great Lakes, Air Wisconsin, Mesa, TSA, XJT/ASA...

You aren't exactly a soothsayer when you predict the demise of a regional. There is no reason to believe being wholly owned with a cheap contract with low fixed costs is a bigger reason to shut down an airline than another. Delta could just as easily sell the airline off as has been done before.
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Old 01-03-2013 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by HIREME
There are plenty examples of being wholly owned working out for the regional partner. See compass and express1/pncl. We just can't know at this point
Compass being wholly owned only kinda "worked out" under NWA. Once DAL took over it was a whole different regime and we were met with hostility. The only reason DAL mgmt didn't kill our flow was our ex-mgmt declined to "play ball" and NWA alpa was smart enough to include scope snap backs in their section 1 should the flow be disolved. DAL is not NWA.
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Old 01-03-2013 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Phuz
Compass being wholly owned only kinda "worked out" under NWA. Once DAL took over it was a whole different regime and we were met with hostility. The only reason DAL mgmt didn't kill our flow was our ex-mgmt declined to "play ball" and NWA alpa was smart enough to include scope snap backs in their section 1 should the flow be disolved.
The only reason the Compass flow continued after Compass was sold to TSH was because the DAL MEC chairman made it happen.

Pinnacle is being "bought" for a song. The previous owners were crooks who skimmed money while failing to perform. DAL bought it because nobody else wanted it. Without firm agreements for lift with the consolidated legacy carriers, Pinnacle wasn't an attractive package. The purchase gives DAL the opportunity to reconfigure the airline and offer it for sale with a strong lift agreement with DAL.
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Old 01-03-2013 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by nightrider
Did everyone notice the 100 airframe reduction ? They are going to ask you to vote for a contact that puts 66% of you out of work?

****** them burn it to the ground.

Nobody is really talking about the Pink Elephant in the room.


Shockingly, there's alot of pilots on here trying to justify how to vote in a paycut for themselves while eliminating their own job!!!!!!


"I agree that I need a paycut, and shortly there after, eliminate my job. It's in the best interest of my career! Delta said they will give me free travel and $hit"
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