Delta to buy Pinnacle
01-04-2013 | 12:34 PM
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In an interview in January 2006, Mesaba President John Spanjers announced that the Mesaba fleet would be cut in half by the end of the year. Twelve Avro jets had already been removed from the fleet, and the balance would be grounded by the end of the year. 10 Saab 340 "B" model aircraft were returned to Pinnacle Airlines (from whom they were leased) during January 2006 while the 3 remaining "A" model Saab 340's and the two Canadair Regional Jets that had been delivered to Mesaba prior to bankruptcy would leave the fleet before mid-year. These changes left Mesaba with a fleet of 49 Saab 340 turboprops.[citation needed]
As of January 2006, the company employed 3,707 people.
On 14 April 2006 the company announced reductions of the RJ85 fleet, at Northwest Airlines' direction. RJ-85's ceased flying out of Memphis on June 8, and on October 31 the last RJ85 disappeared from Minneapolis/St. Paul. The last RJ85 aircraft was retired in Detroit on December 4, 2006.
Separately it was announced that one of the two 50-seat Canadair Regional Jets operated by Mesaba would be taken by Northwest to start the flying operations (expected in late 2006) of newly formed Northwest Airlines subsidiary Compass Airlines.
By the end of October 2006, all three of the major unions representing the pilots,[8] flight attendants,[9] and mechanics[10] reached tentative agreements that still needed to be approved by the membership. On November 27, 2006, the three unions announced that their membership had ratified the new agreements.
In December 2006, Northwest Airlines said it may purchase Mesaba Airlines from current owner MAIR Holdings and operate it as a wholly owned subsidiary. Tentative agreement to the sale were made; however, the merger could not have been approved without going through bankruptcy board proceedings and approvals of regulators and various interest groups.
On April 24, 2007, Mesaba Airlines emerged from bankruptcy protection and was officially acquired by Northwest Airlines.[11]
Does the sequence of events seem familiar ?
As of January 2006, the company employed 3,707 people.
On 14 April 2006 the company announced reductions of the RJ85 fleet, at Northwest Airlines' direction. RJ-85's ceased flying out of Memphis on June 8, and on October 31 the last RJ85 disappeared from Minneapolis/St. Paul. The last RJ85 aircraft was retired in Detroit on December 4, 2006.
Separately it was announced that one of the two 50-seat Canadair Regional Jets operated by Mesaba would be taken by Northwest to start the flying operations (expected in late 2006) of newly formed Northwest Airlines subsidiary Compass Airlines.
By the end of October 2006, all three of the major unions representing the pilots,[8] flight attendants,[9] and mechanics[10] reached tentative agreements that still needed to be approved by the membership. On November 27, 2006, the three unions announced that their membership had ratified the new agreements.
In December 2006, Northwest Airlines said it may purchase Mesaba Airlines from current owner MAIR Holdings and operate it as a wholly owned subsidiary. Tentative agreement to the sale were made; however, the merger could not have been approved without going through bankruptcy board proceedings and approvals of regulators and various interest groups.
On April 24, 2007, Mesaba Airlines emerged from bankruptcy protection and was officially acquired by Northwest Airlines.[11]
Does the sequence of events seem familiar ?
01-04-2013 | 12:44 PM
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PCLCREW have you not been following along what has happened this past year. We don't have any money, Phil made many bad business decisions and this is todays reality. This MEC was also the MEC that stood up for us and said we are not taking pay cuts before BK. They just don't give in for no reason. What specifically has this MEC done that you distrust them so much. I want some solid examples or just stop whining.
01-04-2013 | 01:37 PM
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In an interview in January 2006, Mesaba President John Spanjers announced that the Mesaba fleet would be cut in half by the end of the year. Twelve Avro jets had already been removed from the fleet, and the balance would be grounded by the end of the year. 10 Saab 340 "B" model aircraft were returned to Pinnacle Airlines (from whom they were leased) during January 2006 while the 3 remaining "A" model Saab 340's and the two Canadair Regional Jets that had been delivered to Mesaba prior to bankruptcy would leave the fleet before mid-year. These changes left Mesaba with a fleet of 49 Saab 340 turboprops.[citation needed]
As of January 2006, the company employed 3,707 people.
On 14 April 2006 the company announced reductions of the RJ85 fleet, at Northwest Airlines' direction. RJ-85's ceased flying out of Memphis on June 8, and on October 31 the last RJ85 disappeared from Minneapolis/St. Paul. The last RJ85 aircraft was retired in Detroit on December 4, 2006.
Separately it was announced that one of the two 50-seat Canadair Regional Jets operated by Mesaba would be taken by Northwest to start the flying operations (expected in late 2006) of newly formed Northwest Airlines subsidiary Compass Airlines.
By the end of October 2006, all three of the major unions representing the pilots,[8] flight attendants,[9] and mechanics[10] reached tentative agreements that still needed to be approved by the membership. On November 27, 2006, the three unions announced that their membership had ratified the new agreements.
In December 2006, Northwest Airlines said it may purchase Mesaba Airlines from current owner MAIR Holdings and operate it as a wholly owned subsidiary. Tentative agreement to the sale were made; however, the merger could not have been approved without going through bankruptcy board proceedings and approvals of regulators and various interest groups.
On April 24, 2007, Mesaba Airlines emerged from bankruptcy protection and was officially acquired by Northwest Airlines.[11]
Does the sequence of events seem familiar ?
As of January 2006, the company employed 3,707 people.
On 14 April 2006 the company announced reductions of the RJ85 fleet, at Northwest Airlines' direction. RJ-85's ceased flying out of Memphis on June 8, and on October 31 the last RJ85 disappeared from Minneapolis/St. Paul. The last RJ85 aircraft was retired in Detroit on December 4, 2006.
Separately it was announced that one of the two 50-seat Canadair Regional Jets operated by Mesaba would be taken by Northwest to start the flying operations (expected in late 2006) of newly formed Northwest Airlines subsidiary Compass Airlines.
By the end of October 2006, all three of the major unions representing the pilots,[8] flight attendants,[9] and mechanics[10] reached tentative agreements that still needed to be approved by the membership. On November 27, 2006, the three unions announced that their membership had ratified the new agreements.
In December 2006, Northwest Airlines said it may purchase Mesaba Airlines from current owner MAIR Holdings and operate it as a wholly owned subsidiary. Tentative agreement to the sale were made; however, the merger could not have been approved without going through bankruptcy board proceedings and approvals of regulators and various interest groups.
On April 24, 2007, Mesaba Airlines emerged from bankruptcy protection and was officially acquired by Northwest Airlines.[11]
Does the sequence of events seem familiar ?
You can not use the Mesaba Bankruptcy. Only the doom and gloom Comair one can be used in this thread. This is a selective thread we only want one side.
I am not saying I am for or against this TA but everybody points to Comair and no one points to Mesaba. The truth is NONE of us pilots know what the heck will happen. We can guess and if enough of us guess one of us will get it right.
01-04-2013 | 01:41 PM
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I was a voting member of the PNCL MEC when Menke came and asked us for money and I take high offense to what you say. These guys take more time away from their families than flying requires to represent us. You owe them more respect.
01-04-2013 | 01:42 PM
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In an interview in January 2006, Mesaba President John Spanjers announced that the Mesaba fleet would be cut in half by the end of the year. Twelve Avro jets had already been removed from the fleet, and the balance would be grounded by the end of the year. 10 Saab 340 "B" model aircraft were returned to Pinnacle Airlines (from whom they were leased) during January 2006 while the 3 remaining "A" model Saab 340's and the two Canadair Regional Jets that had been delivered to Mesaba prior to bankruptcy would leave the fleet before mid-year. These changes left Mesaba with a fleet of 49 Saab 340 turboprops.[citation needed]
As of January 2006, the company employed 3,707 people.
On 14 April 2006 the company announced reductions of the RJ85 fleet, at Northwest Airlines' direction. RJ-85's ceased flying out of Memphis on June 8, and on October 31 the last RJ85 disappeared from Minneapolis/St. Paul. The last RJ85 aircraft was retired in Detroit on December 4, 2006.
Separately it was announced that one of the two 50-seat Canadair Regional Jets operated by Mesaba would be taken by Northwest to start the flying operations (expected in late 2006) of newly formed Northwest Airlines subsidiary Compass Airlines.
By the end of October 2006, all three of the major unions representing the pilots,[8] flight attendants,[9] and mechanics[10] reached tentative agreements that still needed to be approved by the membership. On November 27, 2006, the three unions announced that their membership had ratified the new agreements.
In December 2006, Northwest Airlines said it may purchase Mesaba Airlines from current owner MAIR Holdings and operate it as a wholly owned subsidiary. Tentative agreement to the sale were made; however, the merger could not have been approved without going through bankruptcy board proceedings and approvals of regulators and various interest groups.
On April 24, 2007, Mesaba Airlines emerged from bankruptcy protection and was officially acquired by Northwest Airlines.[11]
Does the sequence of events seem familiar ?
As of January 2006, the company employed 3,707 people.
On 14 April 2006 the company announced reductions of the RJ85 fleet, at Northwest Airlines' direction. RJ-85's ceased flying out of Memphis on June 8, and on October 31 the last RJ85 disappeared from Minneapolis/St. Paul. The last RJ85 aircraft was retired in Detroit on December 4, 2006.
Separately it was announced that one of the two 50-seat Canadair Regional Jets operated by Mesaba would be taken by Northwest to start the flying operations (expected in late 2006) of newly formed Northwest Airlines subsidiary Compass Airlines.
By the end of October 2006, all three of the major unions representing the pilots,[8] flight attendants,[9] and mechanics[10] reached tentative agreements that still needed to be approved by the membership. On November 27, 2006, the three unions announced that their membership had ratified the new agreements.
In December 2006, Northwest Airlines said it may purchase Mesaba Airlines from current owner MAIR Holdings and operate it as a wholly owned subsidiary. Tentative agreement to the sale were made; however, the merger could not have been approved without going through bankruptcy board proceedings and approvals of regulators and various interest groups.
On April 24, 2007, Mesaba Airlines emerged from bankruptcy protection and was officially acquired by Northwest Airlines.[11]
Does the sequence of events seem familiar ?
Mesaba then operated a single CRJ-200 for a long time. It made no sense. It didn't make money. But it was all part of a plan, a plan that most pilots weren't able to figure out, but looking back looks blindingly obvious.
I'm sure there are blindingly obvious things going on this time around too, just gotta figure them out.
01-04-2013 | 02:01 PM
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I did union work for 5 years and I can assure you I received NOTHING for my time so to think they are somehow "sell-outs" just goes to show your maturity level.
I was a voting member of the PNCL MEC when Menke came and asked us for money and I take high offense to what you say. These guys take more time away from their families than flying requires to represent us. You owe them more respect.
I was a voting member of the PNCL MEC when Menke came and asked us for money and I take high offense to what you say. These guys take more time away from their families than flying requires to represent us. You owe them more respect.
Here's how it works. Yes, maybe you did not receive a "monetary" salary from ALPA. But what you do typically receive is non-monetary benefits. ALPA virtually reimburses everyones cell phone. Even if only 10% of their cell phone time is used regarding union issues, ALPA pays 100% of the bill.
That's minor, but this is major. You get bought off for a trip to deal with union work. Then you can double dip the system flying trips on your days off. Essentially you can get 75 hours of union pay, and another 50 hours of pay from trips. 125 hours a month easy money. On your trips your gone, but on your Union days, I find it hard to believe your not working full force and calling it quits early, because on paper, you don't have any days off.
Not to mention the ALPA credit card that gets passed around for meals, drinks, which in the end is frequently used in bars downtown, after hours, to discuss "union business."
ALPA is just as much to blame as Management is. Pilots have been sitting around with MONTHS off work waiting to get into a training event. This unproductivity causes other pilots to fly trips at 150% and even 200%. So for one trip, a pilot gets double pay, while another pilot is on a 3 month break from work. That adds up to TRIPLE pay for ONE trip.
What solutions did ALPA bring to Management to undue the cluster****? Well, ALPA sat on their A$$ watching the airline become paralyzed to the Union inefficiencies.
Yep, you know this is true......but go ahead and deny it. Proclaim to the world how amazing ALPA is. Muster up your words, think it through, and phone a friend to get answers on how to prove that ALPA is perfect.
01-04-2013 | 02:10 PM
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This is very hard to believe and not likely.
Here's how it works. Yes, maybe you did not receive a "monetary" salary from ALPA. But what you do typically receive is non-monetary benefits. ALPA virtually reimburses everyones cell phone. Even if only 10% of their cell phone time is used regarding union issues, ALPA pays 100% of the bill.
That's minor, but this is major. You get bought off for a trip to deal with union work. Then you can double dip the system flying trips on your days off. Essentially you can get 75 hours of union pay, and another 50 hours of pay from trips. 125 hours a month easy money. On your trips your gone, but on your Union days, I find it hard to believe your not working full force and calling it quits early, because on paper, you don't have any days off.
Not to mention the ALPA credit card that gets passed around for meals, drinks, which in the end is frequently used in bars downtown, after hours, to discuss "union business."
ALPA is just as much to blame as Management is. Pilots have been sitting around with MONTHS off work waiting to get into a training event. This unproductivity causes other pilots to fly trips at 150% and even 200%. So for one trip, a pilot gets double pay, while another pilot is on a 3 month break from work. That adds up to TRIPLE pay for ONE trip.
What solutions did ALPA bring to Management to undue the cluster****? Well, ALPA sat on their A$$ watching the airline become paralyzed to the Union inefficiencies.
Yep, you know this is true......but go ahead and deny it. Proclaim to the world how amazing ALPA is. Muster up your words, think it through, and phone a friend to get answers on how to prove that ALPA is perfect.
Here's how it works. Yes, maybe you did not receive a "monetary" salary from ALPA. But what you do typically receive is non-monetary benefits. ALPA virtually reimburses everyones cell phone. Even if only 10% of their cell phone time is used regarding union issues, ALPA pays 100% of the bill.
That's minor, but this is major. You get bought off for a trip to deal with union work. Then you can double dip the system flying trips on your days off. Essentially you can get 75 hours of union pay, and another 50 hours of pay from trips. 125 hours a month easy money. On your trips your gone, but on your Union days, I find it hard to believe your not working full force and calling it quits early, because on paper, you don't have any days off.
Not to mention the ALPA credit card that gets passed around for meals, drinks, which in the end is frequently used in bars downtown, after hours, to discuss "union business."
ALPA is just as much to blame as Management is. Pilots have been sitting around with MONTHS off work waiting to get into a training event. This unproductivity causes other pilots to fly trips at 150% and even 200%. So for one trip, a pilot gets double pay, while another pilot is on a 3 month break from work. That adds up to TRIPLE pay for ONE trip.
What solutions did ALPA bring to Management to undue the cluster****? Well, ALPA sat on their A$$ watching the airline become paralyzed to the Union inefficiencies.
Yep, you know this is true......but go ahead and deny it. Proclaim to the world how amazing ALPA is. Muster up your words, think it through, and phone a friend to get answers on how to prove that ALPA is perfect.
It will continue to happen until we are truly a Union and not merely an "Association".
Pilots would have to have each others back for that to happen.
Not likely.
01-04-2013 | 02:51 PM
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This is very hard to believe and not likely.
Here's how it works. Yes, maybe you did not receive a "monetary" salary from ALPA. But what you do typically receive is non-monetary benefits. ALPA virtually reimburses everyones cell phone. Even if only 10% of their cell phone time is used regarding union issues, ALPA pays 100% of the bill.
That's minor, but this is major. You get bought off for a trip to deal with union work. Then you can double dip the system flying trips on your days off. Essentially you can get 75 hours of union pay, and another 50 hours of pay from trips. 125 hours a month easy money. On your trips your gone, but on your Union days, I find it hard to believe your not working full force and calling it quits early, because on paper, you don't have any days off.
Not to mention the ALPA credit card that gets passed around for meals, drinks, which in the end is frequently used in bars downtown, after hours, to discuss "union business."
ALPA is just as much to blame as Management is. Pilots have been sitting around with MONTHS off work waiting to get into a training event. This unproductivity causes other pilots to fly trips at 150% and even 200%. So for one trip, a pilot gets double pay, while another pilot is on a 3 month break from work. That adds up to TRIPLE pay for ONE trip.
What solutions did ALPA bring to Management to undue the cluster****? Well, ALPA sat on their A$$ watching the airline become paralyzed to the Union inefficiencies.
Yep, you know this is true......but go ahead and deny it. Proclaim to the world how amazing ALPA is. Muster up your words, think it through, and phone a friend to get answers on how to prove that ALPA is perfect.
Here's how it works. Yes, maybe you did not receive a "monetary" salary from ALPA. But what you do typically receive is non-monetary benefits. ALPA virtually reimburses everyones cell phone. Even if only 10% of their cell phone time is used regarding union issues, ALPA pays 100% of the bill.
That's minor, but this is major. You get bought off for a trip to deal with union work. Then you can double dip the system flying trips on your days off. Essentially you can get 75 hours of union pay, and another 50 hours of pay from trips. 125 hours a month easy money. On your trips your gone, but on your Union days, I find it hard to believe your not working full force and calling it quits early, because on paper, you don't have any days off.
Not to mention the ALPA credit card that gets passed around for meals, drinks, which in the end is frequently used in bars downtown, after hours, to discuss "union business."
ALPA is just as much to blame as Management is. Pilots have been sitting around with MONTHS off work waiting to get into a training event. This unproductivity causes other pilots to fly trips at 150% and even 200%. So for one trip, a pilot gets double pay, while another pilot is on a 3 month break from work. That adds up to TRIPLE pay for ONE trip.
What solutions did ALPA bring to Management to undue the cluster****? Well, ALPA sat on their A$$ watching the airline become paralyzed to the Union inefficiencies.
Yep, you know this is true......but go ahead and deny it. Proclaim to the world how amazing ALPA is. Muster up your words, think it through, and phone a friend to get answers on how to prove that ALPA is perfect.
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