Delta to buy Pinnacle
01-04-2013 | 03:02 PM
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This is very hard to believe and not likely.
Here's how it works. Yes, maybe you did not receive a "monetary" salary from ALPA. But what you do typically receive is non-monetary benefits. ALPA virtually reimburses everyones cell phone. Even if only 10% of their cell phone time is used regarding union issues, ALPA pays 100% of the bill.
That's minor, but this is major. You get bought off for a trip to deal with union work. Then you can double dip the system flying trips on your days off. Essentially you can get 75 hours of union pay, and another 50 hours of pay from trips. 125 hours a month easy money. On your trips your gone, but on your Union days, I find it hard to believe your not working full force and calling it quits early, because on paper, you don't have any days off.
Not to mention the ALPA credit card that gets passed around for meals, drinks, which in the end is frequently used in bars downtown, after hours, to discuss "union business."
ALPA is just as much to blame as Management is. Pilots have been sitting around with MONTHS off work waiting to get into a training event. This unproductivity causes other pilots to fly trips at 150% and even 200%. So for one trip, a pilot gets double pay, while another pilot is on a 3 month break from work. That adds up to TRIPLE pay for ONE trip.
What solutions did ALPA bring to Management to undue the cluster****? Well, ALPA sat on their A$$ watching the airline become paralyzed to the Union inefficiencies.
Yep, you know this is true......but go ahead and deny it. Proclaim to the world how amazing ALPA is. Muster up your words, think it through, and phone a friend to get answers on how to prove that ALPA is perfect.
Here's how it works. Yes, maybe you did not receive a "monetary" salary from ALPA. But what you do typically receive is non-monetary benefits. ALPA virtually reimburses everyones cell phone. Even if only 10% of their cell phone time is used regarding union issues, ALPA pays 100% of the bill.
That's minor, but this is major. You get bought off for a trip to deal with union work. Then you can double dip the system flying trips on your days off. Essentially you can get 75 hours of union pay, and another 50 hours of pay from trips. 125 hours a month easy money. On your trips your gone, but on your Union days, I find it hard to believe your not working full force and calling it quits early, because on paper, you don't have any days off.
Not to mention the ALPA credit card that gets passed around for meals, drinks, which in the end is frequently used in bars downtown, after hours, to discuss "union business."
ALPA is just as much to blame as Management is. Pilots have been sitting around with MONTHS off work waiting to get into a training event. This unproductivity causes other pilots to fly trips at 150% and even 200%. So for one trip, a pilot gets double pay, while another pilot is on a 3 month break from work. That adds up to TRIPLE pay for ONE trip.
What solutions did ALPA bring to Management to undue the cluster****? Well, ALPA sat on their A$$ watching the airline become paralyzed to the Union inefficiencies.
Yep, you know this is true......but go ahead and deny it. Proclaim to the world how amazing ALPA is. Muster up your words, think it through, and phone a friend to get answers on how to prove that ALPA is perfect.
Unless I've heard the stories incorrectly or exaggerated... that would be part of the answer as to why Pinnacle is so screwed up today.
You guys have been getting it hard from both ends... management and the union. Both of which are there to make as much money as they can without you in regard.
01-04-2013 | 03:38 PM
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This is very hard to believe and not likely.
Here's how it works. Yes, maybe you did not receive a "monetary" salary from ALPA. But what you do typically receive is non-monetary benefits. ALPA virtually reimburses everyones cell phone. Even if only 10% of their cell phone time is used regarding union issues, ALPA pays 100% of the bill.
That's minor, but this is major. You get bought off for a trip to deal with union work. Then you can double dip the system flying trips on your days off. Essentially you can get 75 hours of union pay, and another 50 hours of pay from trips. 125 hours a month easy money. On your trips your gone, but on your Union days, I find it hard to believe your not working full force and calling it quits early, because on paper, you don't have any days off.
Not to mention the ALPA credit card that gets passed around for meals, drinks, which in the end is frequently used in bars downtown, after hours, to discuss "union business."
ALPA is just as much to blame as Management is. Pilots have been sitting around with MONTHS off work waiting to get into a training event. This unproductivity causes other pilots to fly trips at 150% and even 200%. So for one trip, a pilot gets double pay, while another pilot is on a 3 month break from work. That adds up to TRIPLE pay for ONE trip.
What solutions did ALPA bring to Management to undue the cluster****? Well, ALPA sat on their A$$ watching the airline become paralyzed to the Union inefficiencies.
Yep, you know this is true......but go ahead and deny it. Proclaim to the world how amazing ALPA is. Muster up your words, think it through, and phone a friend to get answers on how to prove that ALPA is perfect.
Here's how it works. Yes, maybe you did not receive a "monetary" salary from ALPA. But what you do typically receive is non-monetary benefits. ALPA virtually reimburses everyones cell phone. Even if only 10% of their cell phone time is used regarding union issues, ALPA pays 100% of the bill.
That's minor, but this is major. You get bought off for a trip to deal with union work. Then you can double dip the system flying trips on your days off. Essentially you can get 75 hours of union pay, and another 50 hours of pay from trips. 125 hours a month easy money. On your trips your gone, but on your Union days, I find it hard to believe your not working full force and calling it quits early, because on paper, you don't have any days off.
Not to mention the ALPA credit card that gets passed around for meals, drinks, which in the end is frequently used in bars downtown, after hours, to discuss "union business."
ALPA is just as much to blame as Management is. Pilots have been sitting around with MONTHS off work waiting to get into a training event. This unproductivity causes other pilots to fly trips at 150% and even 200%. So for one trip, a pilot gets double pay, while another pilot is on a 3 month break from work. That adds up to TRIPLE pay for ONE trip.
What solutions did ALPA bring to Management to undue the cluster****? Well, ALPA sat on their A$$ watching the airline become paralyzed to the Union inefficiencies.
Yep, you know this is true......but go ahead and deny it. Proclaim to the world how amazing ALPA is. Muster up your words, think it through, and phone a friend to get answers on how to prove that ALPA is perfect.
The current folks in place have not taken advantage of the system in the same way. There are guys doing crewroom sits on days off, fielding phone calls on holidays, and answering angry emails from pilots blaming them for the situation they're in, sounds like a great gig.
If you think the free booze and cell phone is worth the above hassle plus commuting across the country to nerd out with other pilots you need a new social life.
01-04-2013 | 04:59 PM
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There was a sticker the Pinnacle MEC put out about 4 or 5 years ago it read:
Simply the best, but less then average.
So we fought and fought to get better then average pay. It's funny how fast Pinnacle pilots are going to give that slightly better then average pay back.
Why not work for free? I mean Pinnacle must be just that awesome.
Oh and the union is supporting that worse than average pay, but 4 years ago they were fighting against it.
Unity.
Simply the best, but less then average.
So we fought and fought to get better then average pay. It's funny how fast Pinnacle pilots are going to give that slightly better then average pay back.
Why not work for free? I mean Pinnacle must be just that awesome.
Oh and the union is supporting that worse than average pay, but 4 years ago they were fighting against it.
Unity.
Pinnacle pilots are not giving up anything. This TA is being shoved down our throats. We can either stay employed or the bulk of our aircraft will go to Gojets, S5, and CPZ. Those three DCI carriers are significantly cheaper than our concessionary TA.
Would you rather we let the bar slip even further down the toilet by voting it down. Would that make your next negotiations easier when you are now competing with them for lift? This TA sucks and nobody at 9E thinks otherwise. However, it is better than the alternative.
You guys still crack me up
01-04-2013 | 05:00 PM
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A FA with 6 years seniority will make more than an FO on first year pay. After year 1 FO's will make more than any FA on property. You guys are making a big issue out of something that has been happening for a long time. Compare the starting pay that at some of the majors compared to senior FA's. The No voters are grasping at strings here to try and sway votes to closing PCL down. At least they are trying to use facts they just are giving pilots a small glimpse of the big picture.
Nice job to MEC Chair and EVP for making your airline what it is and screwing up negotiations at every other property!
01-04-2013 | 05:09 PM
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This is very hard to believe and not likely.
Here's how it works. Yes, maybe you did not receive a "monetary" salary from ALPA. But what you do typically receive is non-monetary benefits. ALPA virtually reimburses everyones cell phone. Even if only 10% of their cell phone time is used regarding union issues, ALPA pays 100% of the bill.
That's minor, but this is major. You get bought off for a trip to deal with union work. Then you can double dip the system flying trips on your days off. Essentially you can get 75 hours of union pay, and another 50 hours of pay from trips. 125 hours a month easy money. On your trips your gone, but on your Union days, I find it hard to believe your not working full force and calling it quits early, because on paper, you don't have any days off.
Not to mention the ALPA credit card that gets passed around for meals, drinks, which in the end is frequently used in bars downtown, after hours, to discuss "union business."
ALPA is just as much to blame as Management is. Pilots have been sitting around with MONTHS off work waiting to get into a training event. This unproductivity causes other pilots to fly trips at 150% and even 200%. So for one trip, a pilot gets double pay, while another pilot is on a 3 month break from work. That adds up to TRIPLE pay for ONE trip.
What solutions did ALPA bring to Management to undue the cluster****? Well, ALPA sat on their A$$ watching the airline become paralyzed to the Union inefficiencies.
Yep, you know this is true......but go ahead and deny it. Proclaim to the world how amazing ALPA is. Muster up your words, think it through, and phone a friend to get answers on how to prove that ALPA is perfect.
Here's how it works. Yes, maybe you did not receive a "monetary" salary from ALPA. But what you do typically receive is non-monetary benefits. ALPA virtually reimburses everyones cell phone. Even if only 10% of their cell phone time is used regarding union issues, ALPA pays 100% of the bill.
That's minor, but this is major. You get bought off for a trip to deal with union work. Then you can double dip the system flying trips on your days off. Essentially you can get 75 hours of union pay, and another 50 hours of pay from trips. 125 hours a month easy money. On your trips your gone, but on your Union days, I find it hard to believe your not working full force and calling it quits early, because on paper, you don't have any days off.
Not to mention the ALPA credit card that gets passed around for meals, drinks, which in the end is frequently used in bars downtown, after hours, to discuss "union business."
ALPA is just as much to blame as Management is. Pilots have been sitting around with MONTHS off work waiting to get into a training event. This unproductivity causes other pilots to fly trips at 150% and even 200%. So for one trip, a pilot gets double pay, while another pilot is on a 3 month break from work. That adds up to TRIPLE pay for ONE trip.
What solutions did ALPA bring to Management to undue the cluster****? Well, ALPA sat on their A$$ watching the airline become paralyzed to the Union inefficiencies.
Yep, you know this is true......but go ahead and deny it. Proclaim to the world how amazing ALPA is. Muster up your words, think it through, and phone a friend to get answers on how to prove that ALPA is perfect.
01-04-2013 | 05:17 PM
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Didn't a certain 9E MEC chairman routinely set monthly pay credit records? Levels that would astound you? All in an airplane that he hadn't ever actually even flown?
Unless I've heard the stories incorrectly or exaggerated... that would be part of the answer as to why Pinnacle is so screwed up today.
You guys have been getting it hard from both ends... management and the union. Both of which are there to make as much money as they can without you in regard.
Unless I've heard the stories incorrectly or exaggerated... that would be part of the answer as to why Pinnacle is so screwed up today.
You guys have been getting it hard from both ends... management and the union. Both of which are there to make as much money as they can without you in regard.
01-04-2013 | 05:18 PM
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This is very hard to believe and not likely.
Here's how it works. Yes, maybe you did not receive a "monetary" salary from ALPA. But what you do typically receive is non-monetary benefits. ALPA virtually reimburses everyones cell phone. Even if only 10% of their cell phone time is used regarding union issues, ALPA pays 100% of the bill.
That's minor, but this is major. You get bought off for a trip to deal with union work. Then you can double dip the system flying trips on your days off. Essentially you can get 75 hours of union pay, and another 50 hours of pay from trips. 125 hours a month easy money. On your trips your gone, but on your Union days, I find it hard to believe your not working full force and calling it quits early, because on paper, you don't have any days off.
Not to mention the ALPA credit card that gets passed around for meals, drinks, which in the end is frequently used in bars downtown, after hours, to discuss "union business."
ALPA is just as much to blame as Management is. Pilots have been sitting around with MONTHS off work waiting to get into a training event. This unproductivity causes other pilots to fly trips at 150% and even 200%. So for one trip, a pilot gets double pay, while another pilot is on a 3 month break from work. That adds up to TRIPLE pay for ONE trip.
What solutions did ALPA bring to Management to undue the cluster****? Well, ALPA sat on their A$$ watching the airline become paralyzed to the Union inefficiencies.
Yep, you know this is true......but go ahead and deny it. Proclaim to the world how amazing ALPA is. Muster up your words, think it through, and phone a friend to get answers on how to prove that ALPA is perfect.
Here's how it works. Yes, maybe you did not receive a "monetary" salary from ALPA. But what you do typically receive is non-monetary benefits. ALPA virtually reimburses everyones cell phone. Even if only 10% of their cell phone time is used regarding union issues, ALPA pays 100% of the bill.
That's minor, but this is major. You get bought off for a trip to deal with union work. Then you can double dip the system flying trips on your days off. Essentially you can get 75 hours of union pay, and another 50 hours of pay from trips. 125 hours a month easy money. On your trips your gone, but on your Union days, I find it hard to believe your not working full force and calling it quits early, because on paper, you don't have any days off.
Not to mention the ALPA credit card that gets passed around for meals, drinks, which in the end is frequently used in bars downtown, after hours, to discuss "union business."
ALPA is just as much to blame as Management is. Pilots have been sitting around with MONTHS off work waiting to get into a training event. This unproductivity causes other pilots to fly trips at 150% and even 200%. So for one trip, a pilot gets double pay, while another pilot is on a 3 month break from work. That adds up to TRIPLE pay for ONE trip.
What solutions did ALPA bring to Management to undue the cluster****? Well, ALPA sat on their A$$ watching the airline become paralyzed to the Union inefficiencies.
Yep, you know this is true......but go ahead and deny it. Proclaim to the world how amazing ALPA is. Muster up your words, think it through, and phone a friend to get answers on how to prove that ALPA is perfect.
Wow!
Pinchanickled, do you ever have anything good to say or contribute. You spout off a lot of accusations but never offer any solutions. Try not to be so useless. No offense...
I wonder if you would talk this much smack in person?
You guys still crack me up
01-04-2013 | 05:28 PM
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Management's response was, ok, if you want us to drag our feet, we will! And they did, from May 2005 to Feb 2011. Now that 9E finally got a decent contract, the union is willing to sell out mid+junior pilots to protect the top of the top.
And what person on the 9E MEC voted yes to taking money ALPA dues out of your 401K? Is that classified?
01-04-2013 | 06:02 PM
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And what happened at Mesaba? Half the pilots gone during BK. A flurry of growth just prior to the NW/Delta merger, then two years of stagnation and getting to play musical DCI chairs with fewer and fewer CRJs. Then sold to 9E, where they now have the "opportunity" to vote if all the pilots get furloughed, or only two thirds.
I have the utmost respect for the Mesaba guys, and none of this crappy DCI career fallout is anything they brought on themselves. But I wouldn't call their situation a success story.
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