I'm blaming Pinnacle just because...
01-12-2013 | 03:46 PM
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I really enjoyed 9E and still have many friends there. However, the above is 100% true. I have lived with at least a dozen Comair guys throughout my crashpad tenure and have a pretty good understanding of what happen. TA or no TA 9E gets shut down. Those who don't understand this need to try and come to terms with the reality of the situation prior to voting in my opinion.
I'm sorry for the struggles and tough decisions you all have and wish everyone the best of luck!!!
I'm sorry for the struggles and tough decisions you all have and wish everyone the best of luck!!!
01-12-2013 | 03:56 PM
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01-12-2013 | 04:06 PM
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You ever think that Delta boxed themselves into a corner. Or like a drug addict they became addicted. But not to drugs but cheap cheap labor.
Regional airlines have a life cycle. It would appear that delta is quite educated about what makes a regional airline work.
In order for a regional airline to attract pilots they need one or two things. A quick upgrade and or new shiny bigger jets. The growth at pinnacle/comair/republic/skywest/psa/piedmont... has all stopped. The pay is crap for f/o's. Captains is still livable but far below that of the MD-80 pay.
So what is Delta to do? They love and i mean love cheap labor.
So start a new line of regional airlines. Compass and Go Jerks.
But very much like Comair. Pinnacle is going to be more expensive that Delta wants. Today they say that the current concessions are enough. But what about tomorrow? Delta will come out with some big lie about some surprise cost that wasn't known and close Pinnacle then give the airplanes to Silver airlines. Go Jerks will grow. People there will be happy for 10-15 years till it's their time to be put on the chopping block.
I guess my blabbering is leading to this. It doesn't matter what you vote at Pinnacle. Your days are numbered. If they are not then get that in writing.
No security = no vote.
Regional airlines have a life cycle. It would appear that delta is quite educated about what makes a regional airline work.
In order for a regional airline to attract pilots they need one or two things. A quick upgrade and or new shiny bigger jets. The growth at pinnacle/comair/republic/skywest/psa/piedmont... has all stopped. The pay is crap for f/o's. Captains is still livable but far below that of the MD-80 pay.
So what is Delta to do? They love and i mean love cheap labor.
So start a new line of regional airlines. Compass and Go Jerks.
But very much like Comair. Pinnacle is going to be more expensive that Delta wants. Today they say that the current concessions are enough. But what about tomorrow? Delta will come out with some big lie about some surprise cost that wasn't known and close Pinnacle then give the airplanes to Silver airlines. Go Jerks will grow. People there will be happy for 10-15 years till it's their time to be put on the chopping block.
I guess my blabbering is leading to this. It doesn't matter what you vote at Pinnacle. Your days are numbered. If they are not then get that in writing.
No security = no vote.
01-12-2013 | 04:16 PM
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You ever think that Delta boxed themselves into a corner. Or like a drug addict they became addicted. But not to drugs but cheap cheap labor.
Regional airlines have a life cycle. It would appear that delta is quite educated about what makes a regional airline work.
In order for a regional airline to attract pilots they need one or two things. A quick upgrade and or new shiny bigger jets. The growth at pinnacle/comair/republic/skywest/psa/piedmont... has all stopped. The pay is crap for f/o's. Captains is still livable but far below that of the MD-80 pay.
So what is Delta to do? They love and i mean love cheap labor.
So start a new line of regional airlines. Compass and Go Jerks.
But very much like Comair. Pinnacle is going to be more expensive that Delta wants. Today they say that the current concessions are enough. But what about tomorrow? Delta will come out with some big lie about some surprise cost that wasn't known and close Pinnacle then give the airplanes to Silver airlines. Go Jerks will grow. People there will be happy for 10-15 years till it's their time to be put on the chopping block.
I guess my blabbering is leading to this. It doesn't matter what you vote at Pinnacle. Your days are numbered. If they are not then get that in writing.
No security = no vote.
Regional airlines have a life cycle. It would appear that delta is quite educated about what makes a regional airline work.
In order for a regional airline to attract pilots they need one or two things. A quick upgrade and or new shiny bigger jets. The growth at pinnacle/comair/republic/skywest/psa/piedmont... has all stopped. The pay is crap for f/o's. Captains is still livable but far below that of the MD-80 pay.
So what is Delta to do? They love and i mean love cheap labor.
So start a new line of regional airlines. Compass and Go Jerks.
But very much like Comair. Pinnacle is going to be more expensive that Delta wants. Today they say that the current concessions are enough. But what about tomorrow? Delta will come out with some big lie about some surprise cost that wasn't known and close Pinnacle then give the airplanes to Silver airlines. Go Jerks will grow. People there will be happy for 10-15 years till it's their time to be put on the chopping block.
I guess my blabbering is leading to this. It doesn't matter what you vote at Pinnacle. Your days are numbered. If they are not then get that in writing.
No security = no vote.
01-12-2013 | 06:27 PM
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I disagree to an extent. They will have those who are too old to do anything else, or have no desire to leave the industry, or both. Others will leave the business altogether. Or go to other carriers and possibly face the same fate. Until they've had enough.
01-12-2013 | 06:44 PM
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This TA is going to pass
However, I see other regional pilots pointing their finger at us and saying that we are " lowering the bar and need to think about the future." What future? There is NO future for ANY regional! We all got into this industry thinking we would hopefully one day move on to a Major. Over the past decade many pilots have made careers being at a regional, and it has work out very well for many of them. This game is changing.
The Delta guys changed it by bringing in a quality contract that basicly whiped out our entire fleet. Good, not that I'm happy about losing my job, but it creates more jobs at the mainline (where I want to be eventually).
Our bankruptcy has been orchestrated from the very beginning, none of this happend by chance and if it did, they have played their cards extremely well from a business standpoint. Delta is sick and tired of paying $100+ an hour to senior regional pilots and is changing the game... Its happening... NOW... like it or not!
They started with Comair... told them what they wanted... didnt get it... shut them down. Pinnacle by our circumstance... was next! I 100% believe that if this is voted down Pinnacle is "comaired." Could this all be "smoke?" possibly.. but it was passed by my union and now I must decide.
If this isn't passed "pinnaclized" will now be a verb synonymous with "comaired, easterned, and finish him." Will Delta give a damn? NO... They will move on to ASA/XJT and play the same game. AND out of fear you will be put in the EXACT SAME situation we face today. You will then vote in a consesionary for fear of being "pinnaclized/comaired."
We are unfortunate to be at bat waiting on the next curve. Comair unfortunately was called out first. You are still on deck and spectating, so stop pointing fingers! Please be respectful of the situation we are in.
However, I see other regional pilots pointing their finger at us and saying that we are " lowering the bar and need to think about the future." What future? There is NO future for ANY regional! We all got into this industry thinking we would hopefully one day move on to a Major. Over the past decade many pilots have made careers being at a regional, and it has work out very well for many of them. This game is changing.
The Delta guys changed it by bringing in a quality contract that basicly whiped out our entire fleet. Good, not that I'm happy about losing my job, but it creates more jobs at the mainline (where I want to be eventually).
Our bankruptcy has been orchestrated from the very beginning, none of this happend by chance and if it did, they have played their cards extremely well from a business standpoint. Delta is sick and tired of paying $100+ an hour to senior regional pilots and is changing the game... Its happening... NOW... like it or not!
They started with Comair... told them what they wanted... didnt get it... shut them down. Pinnacle by our circumstance... was next! I 100% believe that if this is voted down Pinnacle is "comaired." Could this all be "smoke?" possibly.. but it was passed by my union and now I must decide.
If this isn't passed "pinnaclized" will now be a verb synonymous with "comaired, easterned, and finish him." Will Delta give a damn? NO... They will move on to ASA/XJT and play the same game. AND out of fear you will be put in the EXACT SAME situation we face today. You will then vote in a consesionary for fear of being "pinnaclized/comaired."
We are unfortunate to be at bat waiting on the next curve. Comair unfortunately was called out first. You are still on deck and spectating, so stop pointing fingers! Please be respectful of the situation we are in.
That's one way to pretend there is no hole in the sinking ship.
01-12-2013 | 06:53 PM
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