The CPZ deal doesn't bother me as much as that was a deal negotiated pre-merger and they had a NW overseen interview process.

I was fine with the 9E deal up until this point, but now there's a side letter to the side letter. Very few good things can come from this other than some of the worst pilots you've ever seen getting an undue and streamlined chance at a job far above where they should have peaked.

give it a rest copilot....if delta wants to hire a damn fine pilot....it is their choice..they own the place....i am a capt at alaska and dont even have ged.....the worst pilots I have flown with are the und wannabees....the best are just pilots....give it a rest punk.....

Thank you for furthering my point.

It looks like you also don't have a shift key or an apostrophe key.

Pass the popcorn, please......

Coffee through nose burns:D

College??? I’m all for it. One can’t be to educated.


Correct me if I’m wrong. During airline expansions during the ‘80s many airlines dropped the college requirement. Many individuals were hired without the degree during this period. I’m sure many of them have gotten their command too without a four year degree. I know of two colleagues with with the majors that don’t have maybe more than 1 month of college let alone any degrees either. Although one was a bartender at local saloon. I guess you can say he had a degree in mixicology. I think that qualifies as a degree. The performed as if he were a chemical engineer with great precision as he prepared mixed drinks with formulae of complicated and dangerous ingredients to produce such concoctions to meet society’s need.


Should they, along with their non college peers, be treated as pariahs?


Why I’m sure if the US Government thought it important enough, then Title 14 Part 61 would be amended to require a college degree to act as pilot in command of an aircraft requiring an Airline Transport Pilot Certificate.


Perhaps those who want make the club restricted, can start a petition. I personally won’t sign it. But it’s always an option for those who feel that strongly about the college issue, and vehemently want to keep, you know, those people from joining the club.


Now where did I put my cognac?

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80,

I've tried to be a fly on the wall on this whole discussion, but I feel like I have to chime in here. I agree with you on the principle the Delta pilots were not involved with the formulation of this tentative agreement seeing as it directly involves both pilot groups.

That being said, as someone who has worked at both Colgan and Delta, I think you may be being somewhat harsh with your characterizion of the 9E pilot group. As far as I understand, even with a flow through agreement in place, pinnacle pilots would still have to go through the formal interview process. If I am wrong in this someone please chime in.

Colgan had some dam good pilots, pilots who have gone above and beyond to get the job done safely when "the company" made that objective difficult at times. Just as Colgan/Pinnacle has had their black sheeps, so has Delta, neither group is immune to that 10% of guys who have put a little too much crazy in their Cheerios.

Personally, I have no idea how the 9E pilots should vote. These decisions are always much easier and simple as an outsider. Pilots are, and have always been, are own worst enemies. Pilot groups love nothing more than to damnify another group for the contractual hardships they have encountered, but make no mistakes, labor is 2% of the issue and corrupt, inept, dim-witted airline management is the remainder.

We would extremely fortunate and lucky to have some of the pilots I have flown with at Colgan here at Delta. Whatever happens best of luck to the 9e guys.