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01-16-2013, 12:55 PM

#151

MyMamma

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"burn it down" and "max pay to the last day" are fun and exciting things to say for a battle cry. This contract will not "make or break your company." They just asked and you said yes. Add a sprinkle of fear to the mix and you get another cost saving measure. I just think you shot yourself in the foot. It didn't have to be this bad. You all could have made some demands instead. oh well. BTW, I have "been in your situation."

01-16-2013, 12:55 PM

#152

IBPilot

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Originally Posted by RgrMurdock

So how are some people so confident that delta won't come knocking on ASA/expressjet's door and start asking for concessions/or else?

because they are all pixie dust, balloons and butterfly farts.....

01-16-2013, 12:56 PM

#153

shimmydamp

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Here is some food for thought for those who claim they would leave the industry rather than work under the PNCL TA.. If that is your mindset, and you would truly leave the industry, then you wouldn't start over at another regional either. In that situation, you wouldn't care about the effect the TA has on the other regionals; you are leaving the industry, after all. You wouldn't volunteer to restart your longevity and seniority at year one RJ FO pay and whipsaw your own earnings.

You would vote yes, take your transition payment, take a voluntary leave to keep your seniority and longevity in as a backup plan (I keep seeing Suze Orman wannabes on these forums talking about how pilots that voted yes on the TA don't have career backup plans), and bail.

You can talk about standing on your principles and use all the hyperbole you want in this situation. You can also choose to live in reality, where the Mesaba/Colgan airplanes went to cheaper operations in Penair, Silver, and Republic after the wind down, or you can live in fantasy land where Delta management sends the airplanes to mainline in a wind down of Pinnacle.

Now I'll sit back and wait for someone to call me a scab from their hotel room in BHM...

01-16-2013, 01:00 PM

#154

Captain Tony

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Originally Posted by IBPilot

I see....when it benefits you, they are your airplanes and routes, not Deltas......but when I say our, you pull the semantics card.....

And what makes you think you will only be there another year or so? haven't you been there like 12 already??????

I guess you really are that stupid? Hiring has just now begun after a 5 year hiatus? Duh. Anyone who wants to leave will get to very soon.

01-16-2013, 01:02 PM

#155

johnso29

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Originally Posted by Captain Tony

Not SkyWest. ASA (SureJet, Expressjet, etc). We are required by our CPA to be the second lowest cost DCI carrier, or Delta may terminate our CPA. That is a fact.

No. It's Skywest too.

http://inc.skywest.com/invest/Annual...s/10k-2011.pdf

The SkyWest Airlines Delta Connection Agreement provides that, beginning with the fifth anniversary of the execution of the agreement (September 8, 2010), Delta has the right to require that certain contractual rates under that agreement shall not exceed the second lowest rates of all carriers within the Delta Connection Program. On November 19, 2010, SkyWest Airlines reached an agreement with Delta related to the second lowest rate provisions to be applied under the SkyWest Airlines Delta Connection Agreement.

The ExpressJet Delta Connection Agreement provides that, upon the fifth anniversary of the execution of the agreement (September 8, 2010), Delta obtained the right to require that certain contractual rates under that agreement shall not exceed the second lowest rates of all carriers within the Delta Connection Program.