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Old 01-16-2013 | 07:45 AM
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People are bailing out of Pinnacle as fast as they can.

It's not exactly a good job market out there. You can't quit and then go on unemployment, so you need some kind of job before handing in your papers.

The majority of the most senior guys who are over 55 or even 50 or in the training department are not going to leave until retirement or loss of medical. They still have good jobs, albeit at less pay then what they were making yesterday. Nonetheless it is still a good job, with adequate (or even good) pay, so why go to be pilot #10372 at some major and sit reserve for a few years?

Other than those guys, everyone else is probably doing their best to get out ASAP. This place is nowhere to waste a career. Well, it's not even a career anymore, really.

That's why no furloughs.
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Old 01-16-2013 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76
You all should have voted no on the TA and burn the place down. You have all dealt a blow to the negotiations of all your peers at other companies. The regionals are no place for an airline career. It amazes me how so many embrace it like its all they've got.
Tragic story. Sorry.
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Old 01-16-2013 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Thanks for nothing Pinnacle. Thanks for rear ending all of us in the segment of the industry that can least afford it. Thanks for taking food out of my kids mouths just so you can hang on a few months longer. Don't ask me for any favors.
You're welcome.
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Old 01-16-2013 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GlobeTreker
Protect us? You were already screwed. You're still screwed and you willingly took the rest of the industry down with you. Hey Gojet guys! There is a new bottom feeder in town. Enjoy your new contract. You guys deserve it.
Thank you. We are trying our best.
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Old 01-16-2013 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Slats
Well, in all fairness the pilots weren't responsible for mismanagement and mistakes made in Memphis. With that, 9E pilots didn't help either by voting in this TA.

All this "I'm not falling on my sword", "you all just want our flying" blah blah blah is an excuse that really shows how near sighted many of them are. I can't blame the very senior voting "yes" they're not going anywhere. The bottom 65% however, should have voted "no". They didn't for 2 reasons. Either 1, they were too lazy to get out well before this TA or 2, they were too stupid not to leave.

The "I don't want to start over at another regional" excuse is lame. Guess what? Most of them will have to make the move to another regional when furloughed anyway... Furthermore, starting over now at some of the regionals would pay more than 9Es FO top out pay. But hell, they won't see that pay scale anyway because displaced captains will enjoy the fruit of their vote.
I'm sorry, I must have slept through the announcement that the mainlines, LCC's, FedEx and UPS were hiring several thousand pilots this year and last year. Oops, my bad.

First year regional pay is a non starter. I've been actively trying to leave to a better job for over a year. No regional currently offers a better job. I don't give a flying **** what a regional will pay me in a year or two. I need to know what they will pay me today. If it's a dollar or more less than what I'm making now, no thanks.

What have you done to make this career better for your peers and build pilot unity?
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Old 01-16-2013 | 09:31 AM
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What a sad day for the airline profession. The race to the bottom will never stop until regional pilots stop letting threats, fear and false hope guide them. The Pinnacle pilots have made their voice herd and Delta management agrees you are worth less.
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Old 01-16-2013 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyformoney
What a sad day for the airline profession. The race to the bottom will never stop until regional pilots stop letting threats, fear and false hope guide them. The Pinnacle pilots have made their voice herd and Delta management agrees you are worth less.

Well said....
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Old 01-16-2013 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyformoney
What a sad day for the airline profession. The race to the bottom will never stop until regional pilots stop letting threats, fear and false hope guide them. The Pinnacle pilots have made their voice herd and Delta management agrees you are worth less.
Yes, well said.
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Old 01-16-2013 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyformoney
What a sad day for the airline profession. The race to the bottom will never stop until regional pilots stop letting threats, fear and false hope guide them. The Pinnacle pilots have made their voice herd and Delta management agrees you are worth less.
Good thing some of us don't want delta
What's sad is it would be a huge payout to go to any "industry leading" regional. Plus commuting to reserve. Next?
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Old 01-16-2013 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Skywest is next. It's all part of the new plan to drive down regional costs.

Skywest is contractually obligated to be the second lowest cost operator for Delta, but Delta waived that obligation until EOY 2015:

The Delta Connection Agreements also provide that, beginning with the fifth anniversary of the execution of the agreements (September 8, 2010), Delta has the right to require that certain contractual rates under those agreements shall not exceed the second lowest of all carriers within the Delta Connection program. During the fourth quarter of 2010, SkyWest Airlines and Atlantic Southeast reached an agreement with Delta on contractual rates satisfying the 2010 rate reset provision and the second-lowest rate provision and agreed to rates through December 31, 2015. Delta additionally waived its right to require that the contractual rates payable under the Delta Connection Agreements shall not exceed the second-lowest rates of all carriers within the Delta Connection program through December 31, 2015.
Then come and get it TROLL.

If standing on my neck makes you feel better about yourself go right ahead. Now I will go fling poo on the "Major " board about how I am happy to fly mainline routes for B scale pay while I thumb my nose at ALPA.
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