I think he is correct. Guys at pinnacle let fear guide them and from my perspective that is a cowards way.

I'm glad you are taking that position because your MEC is negotiating an "over ride" rate to the ERJ. That means it would only be paid when you actually fly the aircraft...no soft time.

So telling people that you hope they don't have kids as they would be so stupid they couldn't survive? Give me a break. That has nothing to do with voting on a TA. I'm just glad that we are more expensive than go jets and compass still. It would suck lowering the bar like Skywest or expressjet since they have to be the second lowest paid DCI carrier.:rolleyes:

The airline as a whole has to have the second lowest costs, pilot costs are only one item in the grand scheme of an airline. Your phrasing attempts to imply ASA pilots need to be the lowest paid in DCI, not correct.

No actually that thing called an emoticon was for sarcasm. Nice try. I could care less how much another regional costs. It was pure 100% sarcasm. Hence the :rolleyes:

We get it. You are better than us and we suck. Happy there Stud?:rolleyes:

I just have a couple of questions on the whole PBS thing...Are there any other carriers currently using Smart Pref? How many other carriers are using Flight Line? Why do you guys think management is behind Smart Pref as opposed to Flight Line?

Either way I am so tired of hearing the same thing in almost every thread. All the bickering back and forth between the groups and what have we really accomplished? Nothing. I feel like I am listening to a fight between my 2 and 4 year olds. Both MEC's need to work out their differences in a professional manner and collectively get a good contract for us as a pilot group. I would love to see the XJT work rules implemented as a group for us but knowing any current airline management, they will be looking for concessions.

By the way Stud, don't act like you are immune to what could happen. It seems that United is watching closely what Delta is currently doing and won't be far behind in throwing their whip around. Regardless of which mainline carrier is swinging the whip, it affects us equally. Pinnacle is/was Delta's current victim but that doesn't mean we won't be next for them or for United or American.

You guys who think you know whats going on in negotiations need to actually talk to those actually at the table. The XJT MEC never said no pbs or nothing, that was the guys on these internet forums. We have said. Flightline will not work for our group the same way you have said line bidding wouldnt work for yours. We have offered a compromise but arent married to it. We have invited your group to offer a compromise, they have refused. Management is very frustrated with the ASA MEC and their unwillingness to compromise and has finally realized ALPA is not all about screwing managment and there can be and is a group of guys over here that is willing to work with them while still protecting our pilots and what they hold important to them. This is why we have moved into these section 26 negotiations with only us and the company. They have identified both by what they have seen and what ALPA national reported to them after their visit that there is one pilot group that is willing to work with them and move forward, and they have chosen to move forward with that group. No flame, no hate, these are simply the facts as things stand right now.

What he said! Wake up ASA pilots/MEC!

Yep. Right here!

Wow....talk about revisionist history....Let's see if I have this right....

It is the XJT MEC that wants to work with management and be reasonable, and it is the ASA MEC that wants more and is being unreasonable.....Is that correct?

What exactly is the ASA MEC asking for that is more than what the XJT MEC is asking for?

My only beaf with the ASA MEC at this point is not being more aggresive in it's public statements regarding what has really been going on....They need to set the record straight.....

Joe, the XJT MEC has said Flightline will not work for us, but we are willing to discuss ANY OTHER SYSTEM. ASA has said no. The company has said costs have gone up with flightline from even the line bidding days, they are willing to move forward with ANY OTHER PBS SYSTEM. ASA guys have said no. When ALPA national came down and put our MEC in one room and yours in another, they asked the ASA guys if they were willing to lose RFPs and possible growth oportunities if it meant standing their ground on flightline, their answer was YES. ALPA national reported back to the company saying there was nothing more to talk about, both sides stopped talking, the company requested we open up section 26 for new pay rates for larger aircraft. That IS what happened. What have I missed? What "record" needs to be "set straight"?

Don't bother feeding the troll. Like I've said before, a very great majority of ASA folks I've talk to are really great people, but with every airline you have your exceptions.

Yup, the ASA MEC is ready to hamper the careers of all its members again. You think they would have learned after the 17 900s went to Skywest back in 07.....

What you have missed is the company has said openly that they don't care what PBS system is used. The company does not object to Flightline and they never have, but they do object to vacation low which is a work rule along with a few other minor issues.

You consistently speak for the ASA MEC using rhetoric that I don't hear from them. I speak to my reps and an ASA MEC member regularly and they do not vomit disharmony or vitriol the way you like to portray them.

Since you are open to ANY OTHER PBS SYSTEM, why not adopt L-CAL's?

Things are really turning around in this industry, the GoJet guys are making fun of the other regionals now! All Pinnacle's fault, soon GoJet guys will be calling the rest of us bottom feeders.

Fyi. Legacy means : of, relating to, or being a previous or outdated.

When guys here say Legacy they are referring to the "old" or formerly known. When we call airlines Legacy such as AA is because of how long they've been in operation and compared to the competition they are Legacy or the remaining ones. But you work at GoJet so I am not expecting much out of you![/QUOTE]

The definition stands true legacy asa and expressjet wise. It's simply a pre merger statement as long as asa or expressjet are tagged on. However the generally accepted term as far as referring to a legacy airline refers to an airline who operated interstate routes prior to deregulation.

To my knowledge the company has not said that openly. Our union says the company said that, but the XJT MEC says otherwise. At this point I trust the XJT reps more. Afterall, if the company was on our side, they wouldn't be assisting XJT in SmartPref practice bids or negotiation large RJ rates with them. Flightline needs to go or Jerry will take his ball and go home.

SH has said this openly. The XJT MEC has openly bashed the ASA MEC in blast emails to their pilot group while the ASA MEC has refused to engage in the negative rhetoric. I prefer to trust the ASA MEC because they are behaving professionally in public.

The company is assisting XJT with Smart Pref because they want PBS. There is not ulterior motive there.

Im sorry...I forgot to add it cannot be a concession for either group. I thought thst should be assumed, my bad. In any case, im just telling you what happened, you can believe what you want.

Well, they are behaving extremely unproffesionally in negotiations. Take that for what its worth.

gtech....As you know, I support the position of our MEC, but I and others are growing tired of the "behaving professionally in public" while the XJT MEC attacks in blast emails and on the message boards.....Our MEC is losing the public battle that is going on by not attacking back...Take that back to the MEC before it is too late....

I'll take that the same way I do all the other lies...

Why would I lie? I want this thing done asap. You are not interested in our line bidding, we are not interested in flightline. We would like to compromise. Dont like smartpref? No problem, we dont care. Please make another suggestion, we are willing to listen to anything. We are not nasty, there are no negative feelings here. We won't push our system on you and respectfully ask you dont push yours on us. We are not saying smartpref or nothing! We have proposed a number of solutions, you have been unwilling to listen to any of them! What do you propose we do? Its the same as if we were to say our line bidding or nothing. You guys would have nothing to talk to us about, right? WE WANT TO NEGOTIATE IN GOOD FAITH! We want to find a compromise!

What's wrong with status quo? Your pilots prefer your line bidding to either PBS system...Why is your MEC pushing something that NEITHER pilot group wants?

Captain Tony, is that you?

I see what you did there. Touché sir.

Wow JoeMerchant why didn't we think of that? BECAUSE WE DID!!!!!! AND THE ASA MEC SAID "NO." We called it dual track where everyone took a different bidding system.

Time to pull your heads out of the sand and get informed.

Hate to break this to you. The ASA side proposed the dual track but wanted to stay separate MEC's until whichever system was ratified by the pilots. Your side said no to that. Why?

You are losing the public battle because you don't have a rebuttal that doesn't make the ASA MEC look worse. I would love to see the ASA MEC explain their side of things but their last attempt at that was filled with a tired and half-truthful explanation of flightline. Keeping up this charade in front of your own people is one thing but I am pretty certain that they can't publicly go after the XJT MEC because they would be sued.

nevermind...

XJT is an isolated pilot group with obsolete aircraft. A sinking ship at best. Any new aircraft hopes is just to keep the pilots on the property as long as possible and extract as much profit as possible out of the aging fleet.

The company just loves this kind of stuff between the pilot groups.

Lol...i love the guys who come on here with zero knowledge of whats going on. Just have a seat and relax.

No new aircraft, no contract, no merger, and still taking concessions....

Is that enough?

And with their concession pay rates they're still smoking just about every other 50 seat operator(and sadly most 70+ seat operators). Maybe you should take notes. :D

Can you define the bold part?

Weird, the only one I remember was in 2008 (voted NO).

When were the other concessions? What were the multiple LOA's/MOU's that have come since that improved the ERJ CBA?

Go read Section 26 of your contract. Your contract fails to protect you against concessionary or bankruptcy rates being used in arbitration. Furthermore, your MEC can shrug and point at the arbitrator. What they do not want to you know is that they asked the company to do this.

Seriously where do you guys come up with this stuff? Im just going to let the next few months speak for itself.

I don't think you quite understand our contract with United or the entire reason for Skywest purchasing us. Haters gonna hate.

You posted this 6/21/2012. Skyw stock closed at $6.74 on that day and today it closed at $13.60. I really hope you shorted the stock.

Quite simple. Let the next few months speak for themselves? Do you support you MEC trying to undercut another that they are supposed to working with?

Relevance and factual information have NO place on this board!