Hey,

which one would you choose, PNCL or TSA...? please explain WHY.

Thx,

-schone

 

Neither... Go somewhere that you will actually enjoy your job and not be abused by management. I would rather not fly than fly for one of those carriers.

 

... and something a lil more constructive than that...?

 

I would highly frown upon Trans States for several reasons. Number one there is very little in the way of movement which means no upgrade to CA for at least 4, maybe more like 6 years. Number two Hulas Kanodia owns Trans States and he would jump over or better yet kick his dying mother out of the way for a dime. That means no respect for the pilots which equates to poor work rules, poor pay, and little room for a happy work environment. Anyone who frequents this board and worked for Trans States can attest to the misery that they went throught during their employment with the POS company. Number three, for a while they where hiring people for Trans States, then calling and saying sorry, no class for us, but we can fit you into GoJet right away. Please do not ever go fly for GoJet, they are also owned by HK and thats another story you can search on this board. There is also not a lot in the way of domiciles, you have Richmond, and St. Louis. That doesn't bode well for commuting. I grew up in St. Louis and still live in the area, and after extensive research refused to even submit my resume to them. I just continued to flight instruct until something better came along. The only reason I would say go to Trans States is if you intend to use them for some experience, and then move on somewhere else. Of course don't tell them this is your intention. I don't know much about Pinnacle, other than they don't have great work rules, and you get abused a lot by the company. Perhaps someone who works their can attest to this. I do know that you domiciles are Detroit, or Memphis and maybe Minneapolis and all that means to me is way too cold and way too much snow. I would recommend someone else like one of the Republic companies, or maybe ExpressJet. Hope this helps.

 

I hate when pilots *****, but unfortunatley a lot of airlines give pilots plenty of reasons to. If people stop selling thier souls to airlines that treat their pilots so terribly such as TSA, Mesa, Great Lakes, Pinnacle... the way we are treated will have to improve. We have to show that we are not willing to be treated like crap.

Which would I choose... If I had to choose it would be TSA, but only because I'm from St. Louis. Just keep in mind that the vast majority of what I have heard from pilots of both companies has been negative. Again here I would have to reccomend Skywest, Republic, AWAC, Horizon, or even Expressjet. I have seen a lot of lives screwed up by crappy regional airlines... try to go somewhere with a good reputation.

 

Groovinator is right. Go to what works best for you. If I had to choose one of those two I would choose Pinnacle because then I could live in Minneapolis, where I lived before I moved out east for AWAC.

I sent my papers to Pinnacle about 3 years ago and never got an answer. AWAC answered right away with a job offer. Pinnacle didn't want my 1,500 M/E turbine from a 121-equivalant (overseas) carrier. Too bad because I would love to have lived there in MSP. I might even be a captain by now.

Go to where you think you can be happiest, not to where others say is the best, though there are some that stand out as better, like Skywest and ExpressJet and maybe AWAC.

 

That's what i'm trying to figure out. What's best for me. I know the reputation that sorrounds these two airlines and i'm no newbie on this board.

I understand what you guys are saying, but simplysaid, just like you did in the past - I will choose one of them, and will not continue doing what i'm doing till something better comes along. For now I've got two offers and I have to choose which one i'm sticking with. That's what i'm asking your help in.

The question is not whether i'm going to do it, it's with whom. Don't tell me about managment, work rules, pay - I know all those and if you were in my shoes and were offered the option you'd take it with both hands. I'm not saying i'm marrying these airlines, just going to work for'em.

Any direction with the above mentioned would be appreciated. I'm just trying to figure out what's better.

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For those of you who have attended TSA. Do you know what's the pay guarantee when you start training. I understand they pay salary, but imagine it's not the 70-75 hrs guarantee you get on line/rsrv - so i'm wondering what the pay is like?

At the end of the day, what's more attractive in terms of airplanes - CRJ or the ERJ?

And with regards to both these airlines, and before you crucify me - please acknowledge that i'm only talking about these two. Who do you think is more stable? - Don't tell me none, I'm aware of that.

Thanks a ton for all your guys' replies! Much appreciated!

 

60-hour guarantee during training, which includes ground, sim, and IOE.

 

If you commute, MSP is probably an easier commute at least if you are based there. Do you plan to commute? Or move?

Like I said, if I were in your shoes I would go with Pinnacle. But I have my own reasons. Find yours. I have heard good things about the pilot group at TSA and that means a lot. But at the end of the day you have to be happy.

Lifestyle is everything 'cuz the job is tough. If you know the plusses and minuses of the two companies then you have to decide on which one will allow you to have a more normal life.

 

Alot of the airline is what you make of it and how you are able to work the system there. I've been at Pinnacle for just over 3 years and upgraded after only 13 months... could have upgraded after 8 months but didn't have the 3000 hours total time required.

Things have changed and the NWA system is just as screwed up as ever, but I don't regret one second the decision to come to Pinnacle.

Reserve time is a bit longer, but our outlook is considerably better than TSA's. Our scope protection specifically prevents such a thing from happen and it is a strike item in negotiations now.