Pinnacle's 13-01 Award
02-16-2013 | 08:01 AM
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Anywho, I'd just go with the facts. All these positive spins from the new management team have no merit until there is something legit to back 'em up.
02-16-2013 | 08:14 AM
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I am not to versed on the Delta SCOPE, but one would think the language would read unto 50 seats or 50 seats or less. APA was burned with this already and that's how the E140 was born, built specifically for AMR as a way around SCOPE.
02-16-2013 | 11:23 AM
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At this point, I doubt we are going to furlough. The company has already said no furloughs in 2013. The new CEO was in the crew room this morning and hinted that the 200s are staying much longer than anticipated along with the new 900s coming. He also said it is possible we may have to hire at some point.
02-16-2013 | 11:26 AM
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Ok, so are you implying that other 50 seat operators will be reduced instead? Or are you implying that seats can be removed and will not count as 50 seaters? If its the latter, that won't work. A 50 seater is defined as an aircraft certified for 50 or less seats and a certificated MGTOW of up to 65,000 LBS.
With the agreement in place removing Pinnacle's CRJ200s is the cleanest way to remove 50 seaters from the DCI fleet.
No. Not in my experience.
No. The definition of 50 seater aircraft won't permit that.
Correct.
We learned from that. The definition of a 50 seater is 0-50 seats. If one or more seats were removed to reduce the seat count below 50 then it's still a 50 seater.
With the agreement in place removing Pinnacle's CRJ200s is the cleanest way to remove 50 seaters from the DCI fleet.
Correct.
02-16-2013 | 11:31 AM
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Actually, they don't have to be down to 125 50 seaters until taking delivery of the 223rd 76 seater. Bet you they only get 222 of them. Oops.
Note one: Upon the delivery of a 223
rd 76-seat aircraft, the number of permitted
50-seat aircraft will be 125 regardless of the number otherwise provided in Section
1 b. 46. f. Exception one.
rd 76-seat aircraft, the number of permitted
50-seat aircraft will be 125 regardless of the number otherwise provided in Section
1 b. 46. f. Exception one.
02-16-2013 | 11:37 AM
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ahh yes more productive input from Uncle Tony, who was sitting in on the negotiations and has personally seen all the financial and planning documents and had Thanksgiving dinner with Spanjers and Anderson...
02-16-2013 | 11:39 AM
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And? That contributed absolutely nothing to this discussion except to pump your ego by bragging that you're some union insider "big shot". Are you saying that they ARE going to furlough because the -200s ARE really leaving? Or are you just attacking me for saying something you didn't like, regardless of whether it's true or not?
02-16-2013 | 11:49 AM
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And? That contributed absolutely nothing to this discussion except to pump your ego by bragging that you're some union insider "big shot". Are you saying that they ARE going to furlough because the -200s ARE really leaving? Or are you just attacking me for saying something you didn't like, regardless of whether it's true or not?
02-16-2013 | 11:55 AM
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Ok, so are you implying that other 50 seat operators will be reduced instead? Or are you implying that seats can be removed and will not count as 50 seaters? If its the latter, that won't work. A 50 seater is defined as an aircraft certified for 50 or less seats and a certificated MGTOW of up to 65,000 LBS.
With the agreement in place removing Pinnacle's CRJ200s is the cleanest way to remove 50 seaters from the DCI fleet.
No. Not in my experience.
No. The definition of 50 seater aircraft won't permit that.
Correct.
We learned from that. The definition of a 50 seater is 0-50 seats. If one or more seats were removed to reduce the seat count below 50 then it's still a 50 seater.
With the agreement in place removing Pinnacle's CRJ200s is the cleanest way to remove 50 seaters from the DCI fleet.
No. Not in my experience.
No. The definition of 50 seater aircraft won't permit that.
Correct.
We learned from that. The definition of a 50 seater is 0-50 seats. If one or more seats were removed to reduce the seat count below 50 then it's still a 50 seater.
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