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Old 02-16-2013 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DL31082
The 16 9E -900s are just changing hands. The fleet count for Delta overall should stay the same.
That's what I thought. Per the 1st qtr Fleet Info book the DCI 76 fleet count is 153. That breaks down into 101 CRJ-900s & 52 EMB-175s.

So in order to add 40 CRJ-900 aircraft, 111 50 seaters must be removed. There are currently 307 50 seat aircraft operating.

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Old 02-16-2013 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Ok, so are you implying that other 50 seat operators will be reduced instead? Or are you implying that seats can be removed and will not count as 50 seaters? If its the latter, that won't work. A 50 seater is defined as an aircraft certified for 50 or less seats and a certificated MGTOW of up to 65,000 LBS
Not implying anything, but the 200 isn't the only 50 seater and Pinnacle isn't the only operator of 50 seat aircraft. I don't know enough to imply anything other than the contract doesn't specify CRJ-200. We are now probably the cheapest operator of these aircraft and the 900 so there is no telling what will happen in the future. We could still very well close the doors by year's end. No one knows and if they tell you otherwise they need to get off the pipe.
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Old 02-16-2013 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by IBPilot
first and last sentences are correct, but let's be realistic about something....the only reason we got the joint contract so fast was because 1. 9e had already been through 6 years of negotiations, 2. The company needed the combined list, and 3. they knew it would be null and void within a year. Not because XJ was a dream team.
Thank you for that reality. It wasn't Mesaba's dream team negotiators that got the JCBA done, 9E Corp management got it done because they needed it done for the reasons in the quoted portion.
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Old 02-16-2013 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Thank you for that reality. It wasn't Mesaba's dream team negotiators that got the JCBA done, 9E Corp management got it done because they needed it done for the reasons in the quoted portion.
Finally, the light comes on for a couple of you. I was there for the mesaba bankruptcy, and when it's all said and done, in hindsight it's easy to connect the dots. This plan was in the making when Delta sold Pinnacle Mesaba
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Old 02-16-2013 | 01:30 PM
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Current and former "original Pinnacle" guys, come on!! The only reason this airline is becoming a decent one (minus the BK), is because we have legacy Mesaba ALPA guys and legacy Mesaba management.

We got Aerodata, we are working on fixing our terrible manuals to be like Mesaba's, and we are hopefully ditching ridiculous things like LIDO charts and the PM adjusting the altitude select with A/P engaged.
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Old 02-16-2013 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Oh, you mean they bluffed you guys into taking a massive pay cut (and screwing the rest of us) after all? Say it ain't so! Enjoy that 7 year contract at the bottom of the industry.
Hey glad we could help ya. I am gonna enjoy the next 7 years, much appreciated. I'm not even gonna apply to another airline. Hey Watcha havin for dinner?
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Old 02-16-2013 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Saabs
Hey Watcha havin for dinner?
Tonight's dinner special for yes voters is Spineless Chicken Soup.






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Old 02-16-2013 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Tonight's dinner special for yes voters is Spineless Chicken Soup.






I think u and I splitting a case of beer would be fun!

I'd show ya how to do it CJC style!
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Old 02-16-2013 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Tonight's dinner special for yes voters is Spineless Chicken Soup.






Thats good, I think most people hate bones in there soup.
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Old 02-16-2013 | 04:32 PM
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Pay question...

Two pilots, X and Y, are both from the same original company (so no Bloch issues). X is a Q CA and one senior to Y who is a 200 CA. X bid for CA first, but is being downgraded to an FO slot. Since secondary awards are NOT occurring, Y will not be downgraded (listed on the award as "Secondary Held"). What would X get paid? His current pay, 200 CA pay (that is pay equal to the Y's pay), or FO pay?

My quick look at the award suggests this scenario applies to several folks.
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