IBT National overrules Local 357's NC
03-05-2013 | 10:35 AM
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03-05-2013 | 01:03 PM
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FAR 121 differentiates between "rest period" and "free of duty". I'm guessing that you can't find an interpretation that says "duty" includes making a phone call or going online.
http://www.nata.aero/data/files/abj/...ations_abj.pdf
http://www.nata.aero/data/files/abj/...ations_abj.pdf
03-05-2013 | 02:49 PM
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I think that is horrible advice. The whole reason our FOs are topped out at 36.62 on a four year payscale is because in 2003, our pilots thought exactly like you're suggesting. No one thought upgrades would be more than two years. The short term took precedence over the long term. Not just in pay, but in RSV rules. That mentality screwed over much of our pilot group.
I'm a relatively senior FO and I will probably upgrade within a year. The new FO payrates will not effect me very much. I and hopefully most of our pilots will not sell our future co-workers down the river for a short term gain.
I'm a relatively senior FO and I will probably upgrade within a year. The new FO payrates will not effect me very much. I and hopefully most of our pilots will not sell our future co-workers down the river for a short term gain.
You'll have to forgive FAULTPUSH. He lives in a world where concessions are good. He just doesnt know any better. You cant argue with stupid.
03-05-2013 | 03:06 PM
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Quite frankly, STUPID is when RAH wanted to give the FO'S a $5 dollar an hour pay raise without the pilot group giving anything in return! Of course, the pilot group turned it down. Why, Is the million dollar question?
03-05-2013 | 04:01 PM
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Flash forward to '12 and the Company can't fill seats because of that same laughable pay, but now WH/BB are all concerned about our FO's financial wellbeing.
Not being able to attract new hires because of the crappy contract is one of the few pieces of leverage we have. As someone sitting at the 36.62 mark, I will grudgingly sit at this payrate a bit longer in an effort to fix some of the QoL items in our contract for everyone (and in the long term, myself even after I upgrade). Slightly more pay without fixing such items as cancelation pay, minimum duty day, and real overtime pay are useless.
These QoL/ softpay issues are going to be even more important when the new rest and duty rules go into effect as the schedules are likely to become much more unproductive.
03-05-2013 | 04:55 PM
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In late '08 or early '09 the IBT tried to draw up an LOA to increase FO pay and give slight increases beyond the topped out five year mark. WH literally laughed.
Flash forward to '12 and the Company can't fill seats because of that same laughable pay, but now WH/BB are all concerned about our FO's financial wellbeing.
Not being able to attract new hires because of the crappy contract is one of the few pieces of leverage we have. As someone sitting at the 36.62 mark, I will grudgingly sit at this pay rate a bit longer in an effort to fix some of the QoL items in our contract for everyone (and in the long term, myself even after I upgrade). Slightly more pay without fixing such items as cancellation pay, minimum duty day, and real overtime pay are useless.
These QoL/ softpay issues are going to be even more important when the new rest and duty rules go into effect as the schedules are likely to become much more unproductive.
Flash forward to '12 and the Company can't fill seats because of that same laughable pay, but now WH/BB are all concerned about our FO's financial wellbeing.
Not being able to attract new hires because of the crappy contract is one of the few pieces of leverage we have. As someone sitting at the 36.62 mark, I will grudgingly sit at this pay rate a bit longer in an effort to fix some of the QoL items in our contract for everyone (and in the long term, myself even after I upgrade). Slightly more pay without fixing such items as cancellation pay, minimum duty day, and real overtime pay are useless.
These QoL/ softpay issues are going to be even more important when the new rest and duty rules go into effect as the schedules are likely to become much more unproductive.
You would be $5 dollars an hour richer and you will most likely vote no on this LBFO where QOL, cancellation pay, minimum duty day and overtime pay are concerned.
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03-05-2013 | 06:02 PM
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But, we do believe we would be giving up something by allowing the Company to only increase FO pay to attract new hires...bargaining leverage. The inability to attract new hires is one of the few things keeping WH at the table.
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