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Old 03-03-2013 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
Thats incorrect. If they said M1 and M2 no longer apply upon implementation, you would be spot on. By deleting K1 and K2, it eliminates min guarantee completely. It may be a typo, but its there nonetheless. If this contract is voted in, there will be no guarantee once we get new rest rules. This is worse than any bankruptcy contract ive seen.
Honestly, I don't believe its a typo based on everything else that they put in the contract. Karma you are incorrect and flyguy is spot on.

Another fun section is this:

6A.B.2.h. On a day off prior to the start of a reserve period, a pilot on RSC will contact scheduling or self-notify via Crew Web (or its replacement) of a trip assignment scheduled to start within his scheduled reserve period for a trip placed on his schedule by 1200 of that day.

This will be a violation of the FARs if you are against 24 in 7 as that is not 24 hours free from duty.

or this:

6A.B.2.g. A RSC may not be rescheduled from an awarded reserve period to another reserve period without at least 18 hours prior notice to the start of the old or new available period, whichever is earlier. However unless moved with other days or part of an assignment the last day will not be moved later by itself.

Currently, its 24 hours notice and they want to reduce it to 18 so they can screw with your schedule more. We were supposed to get better reserve rules not worse.

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Old 03-03-2013 | 08:14 AM
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That has to be a typo. Why else would it be in the timing out section and use the word "above". If they meant what you're saying they would have put M4 in the K section as K3. Hopefully the company can fix that and send out a revised copy in time.
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Old 03-03-2013 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Karma
That has to be a typo. Why else would it be in the timing out section and use the word "above". If they meant what you're saying they would have put M4 in the K section as K3. Hopefully the company can fix that and send out a revised copy in time.
Anytime there is any ambiguity in the contract the company has won the grievance so this would no doubt result in the company being able to take away guarantee. The company can't revise it as it has already been submitted as their LBFO. This is the LBFO that was sent to the mediator and the union.
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Old 03-03-2013 | 09:05 AM
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I read on another forum about the "angry pilot group" at Republic it seems the Captains are pretty happy with status quo but the FOs are taking it in the shorts. I'm age wise split between the Captain generation and the FO generation but I understand both. The FOs are getting shafted plain and simple so here is what I posted on the other forum....

An angry pilot group is one thing but an angry pilot group that takes action is a completely different thing. Until the pilot group decides they have had enough of the NMB, corporate and the union nothing will change and from what I've heard the Captains are fine with status quo and they drive the union. My father was a teamster for 47 years, his father was a teamster they both were involved in numerous strikes including "wildcat" strikes and one thing they said was talking does nothing action is what changes things.
This is the bio of the NMB Chairman, he is a political appointee his job is to ensure the current administration is never brought into question about supporting the "workers". So how do you support the workforce yet prevent a work stoppage that will have a dramatic effect on the industry and cause a burp in the economy? You tie the workforce up in mediation that will maintain the status quo. The NMB Chairman has a Bio that says he should support Pilots but he is political appointee....

Biography of Harry R. Hoglander

I'm on a soap box about this issue not for me but for my kids and grandkids, how do I tell them they can be pilots but it will cost them $150,000 for a 4 year degree and 250 flight hours (CWU Flying Program) when starting in August they will need 1500 flight hours to get a $22/hr job. The garbage men is Seattle (Teamsters Local 117) signed a 6 year $96K wage and benefit package, it took them to force the companies hand with a strike but they are now getting more money than a pilot, good for them but it begs the question why spend $200,000 (even with CFI money) to get a $22/hr job?
I love flying it is a passion but economically it doesn't make sense. Especially given the roller coaster ride called the airline industry.

I hope republic changes and the pilots get some compensation given they just reported an 800% earnings increase last year, yes that is correct 800%. the reference in on the other thread. I really feel for the pilots but until the pilots (Captains included) decide to take action nothing will change.

See you on the line....maybe
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Old 03-03-2013 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by flyingreasemnky
Anytime there is any ambiguity in the contract the company has won the grievance so this would no doubt result in the company being able to take away guarantee. The company can't revise it as it has already been submitted as their LBFO. This is the LBFO that was sent to the mediator and the union.
True but the company can release a statement of clarification and honor it in good faith.

Gazoo- You don't need a 4 year aviation degree to work at RAH. Even a lot of mainline carriers have dropped their degree requirement but it's still a good thing to have. You can get all your ratings at the local mom and pop FBO in a C150 with a few hours in a twin for less than $35k.
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Old 03-03-2013 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by flyingreasemnky
This will be a violation of the FARs if you are against 24 in 7 as that is not 24 hours free from duty.
Are you serious? Making a phone call or getting on the computer is THAT much of an imposition?
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Old 03-03-2013 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH
Are you serious? Making a phone call or getting on the computer is THAT much of an imposition?

Its a concession. When dealing with what is already the industry's worst contract, there shouldn't be concessions. Especially when dealing with the worst reserve rules written. I know not every F9 pilot is bad, but I do find it funny how you guys keep popping up supporting concessions. Must be a culture thing.
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Old 03-03-2013 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
Its a concession. When dealing with what is already the industry's worst contract, there shouldn't be concessions. Especially when dealing with the worst reserve rules written. I know not every F9 pilot is bad, but I do find it funny how you guys keep popping up supporting concessions. Must be a culture thing.
I don't think it is since they are adding long call reserve. I'd be happy to check my schedule on my day off the day before my reserve day if it means I won't get called at 3 am. How is that worse?
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Old 03-03-2013 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Karma
I don't think it is since they are adding long call reserve. I'd be happy to check my schedule on my day off the day before my reserve day if it means I won't get called at 3 am. How is that worse?

I sincerely hope you really sit down and read this thing thoroughly. If you do, I want you to find the part where it says the company has to award RLC. Just a hint, its not there. Without language specifically stating the company will do something thats beneficial, just assume they won't. RLC is only there to get a few extra votes from those not detail oriented. It will never be used.

If you're married and on reserve, try explaining to your wife why you only got paid 20 hours for a given month even though you were available to work every day scheduled. That will be a fun conversation. This is EASILY the worst contract in the industry if voted in. No pay rate makes up for not having a min guarantee.
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Old 03-03-2013 | 01:35 PM
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One additional thing about RLC. It also states the company can change you to RSC on the first day with no restriction. So even if awarded, they wouldn't let you actually use it outside the first day. Like I said, long call shouldn't even be considered when voting on this contract. Being forced to use your cell phone on a day off and anytime on duty is a much more important item.
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