You keep talking about Cm. do you not realize that Jt and Scott sold you guys out so that they could get their slice of the pie?

 

Please explain!

 

How does a LOA ratified by a large majority of the FAPA membership - prior to IBT seizing control - qualify as being "sold out?"

Neither JT, SG or anyone else personally benefited from the transaction more than any other Frontier pilot. No "slice of the pie."

Moffatt continues to insinuate that there "may be" criminal charges. There won't be.

Moffatt states, "There's a lot of NDA's involving the sale of Frontier, but I've seen the books and there's no one that will buy them. You know the saying, 'How do you become a Millionaire in aviation, you start with a billion." Although he butchered the phrase miserably...

I doubt that Moffatt has seen Frontier's books, as he claims, but if he did and he is covered by a NDA, he certainly violated the NDA by pontificating on the viability of the Frontier business model and possible sale.

 

FAPA isn’t your legal representative organization, The IBT is.

FAPA isn’t attempting to take a benefit from Frontier pilots, the IBT is.

IBT acknowledges that the case is NOT in the best interest of the Frontier pilots, that Frontier pilots have no interest in pursuing the suit, AND they state, on the record, they don’t care.

The majority of the court documents are currently available on the FAPA website, and additional documents are posted as they become publicly available.

Do you personally monitor the lawsuit’s documents as they become available or wait to have it handed to you? You have heard of Google, right? Try googling what 3662 posted, “Case 1:11-cv-02007-MSK-KLM.”

FAPA doesn’t claim that the lawsuit is a “game changer” as it relates to Section six negotiations, Local 357 and CM maintains to their “native” membership that it is. I have no idea WHY they feel it will make a difference.

What part of which TA do you believe was changed after member ratification?

And, yes Local 357 has a weekly conference call. Would you rather have a weekly FAPA conference call that blows sunshine up... inside you and provides inaccurate information or no conference call?

Many of the 357 members don't even bother with the call anymore, they consider it a complete waste of time (rightly so IMO).

 

JT isn’t the witness in question, the IBT witness was the one that failed to educate himself or be educated by counsel on the items of which he was disposed.

And yet ruled that there needed to be additional depositions of an IBT Representative that has even a remote clue regarding the matters on which he or she is disposed.

That is relevant in what way? Maybe the IBT or at least Local 357 should consider the same thing, Wilder is spread too thin, Robert Mann lives in a fantasy world full of pretty graphs with squiggly lines that, on more than one occasion, were equally valid whether you held them upright or upside down.

You might benefit greatly from replacing your entire NC as well.

Of course you do, that’s the IBT way, you’re right all the way through until the Arbitrator rules against you. Then it’s everyone else’s fault. You’re welcome to your opinion, you know what they say, opinions are like, let’s say belly buttons, everybody’s got one.

I’ve read the docket and many other briefings, motions and rulings through the years. Depending on the outcome you want, you can find parts that support your preconceived conclusion in any of these documents.

You can also read one party’s brief and think, “How could anyone argue against that." Then you read the next, opposing, brief and think the same thing. I think I’ll wait for the Judge to rule.

After all the IBT rhetoric, is anyone at the IBT willing to admit that LOA 67 was drafted, put out to the FAPA represented Frontier pilot membership and overwhelmingly ratified by the Frontier pilots prior to the hostile takeover by the IBT and is therefore a valid LOA?

 

As someone else pointed out, who cares who 3662 or ZooCrew really is.

If their information is accurate, the information should be considered.

I believe the gist of 3662's post is, Moffatt is either out of the loop or untruthful - which is it? And is the fate of the native RAH pilot in the hands of National or Local 357?

They seem like reasonable questions and, if I were a native RAH'er, I'd want an answer. I'm not even a native and I'd like to hear the answer...

 

How is making a few accurate observations about the demeanor and nature of the posts of some Frontier pilots considered "defamation?"

Also, how is it possible to "defame" the made-up user name of some anonymous agitator with a clearly demonstrated a lack of credibility?

If you knew even a portion of what you pretend, you'd already understand the the vast majority of legal processes are lawyers arguing that other lawyers are wrong. This happens all of the time.

 

I agree perhaps 3662 isn't a native RAH pilot, but the information he/she posted was indeed factual. Spin it anyway you'd like. As I stated earlier, you choose the road of least resistance. Attacking who the user may or may not be is much easier than dealing with the substance or in this case facts. I personally don't care if you choose to remain blind.

I do understand that lawyers argue with lawyers. Yes this is how the process works, and again you avoided the facts. All I was doing was paraphrasing one sentence in the 11 page document. And you point out lawyers argue with lawyers(really). Forget substance sqwkvfr, go for the low hanging fruit.

One more time, the point 3662 was trying to understand is why you all let CM lie to you. Please keep pointing out the irrelevant and let the facts pass you by.

 

So we are supposed to pay $500 to FAPA for what? So some past or present BOD member can tell me to go look for it myself?

Please tell me what you guys are doing. You can't make phone call, send an email or file a grievance on our behalf. Could you at least provide information to the pilot group in regards to the lawsuit against LOA 67? Or would you rather just lambaste the membership (once again) in a public forum?

How many pilots have paid dues? It appears to me not many.

And yes, the "Restructuring TA" as we voted on doesn't exist anymore. All of the "meat and potatoes" have been removed, placed in a commercial agreement (which I have not seen). Who knows what is in the commercial agreement now. Do we still have an equity stake? Will we see profit sharing? All very doubtful at this point!

 

If you were a Frontier pilot you would know the answer to all the above questions.