Honestly I would be fine with transferring only longevity. It would be easier to implement and wouldn't start seniority wars. It's definitely time ALPA starts this conversation. Everyone would win as management loses the scare tactic of forcing concessions or bankruptcy.

Me too. Should at least stay in your current pay year if going from one ALPA carrier to another.

At least you get a bad ass new lanyard when you start over again.

Transferring longevity isn't a "bad" idea.

That said, put yourselves into management's shoes - would you rather hire somebody off the street making 12 year pay, or somebody making first year pay?

For reasons like this, it'll never happen any more than a "master seniority list" in the airline biz.

Spoken by a Colgan pilot who has already experienced a "longevity" transition. I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune if the shoe were on the other foot. That transition would demolish career expectations and upgrades for established fo's like it already did at 9e. That would never work. I highly doubt 6 year fo's at other carriers would be OK with someone jumping them on the senority list. The only way longevity transfer would work is strictly pay rates, not seniority, and we all know mgmt teams wouldn't buy into that either.

Hey Munky how are you today? Didn't know if u knew this, but those of us at CJC lost our base and airplane. It's not all rosy like u paint it out to be. Also many of us holding captain would have held it regardless (looking at pinnacles junior DOH CA). No worries though, it looks like pinnacle is like colgan losing all their airplanes too. Wish it didn't happen for either side. I hope u have a great day mr Buttr!

Longevity in terms of pay rates is strictly what I am referring to. As someone mentioned before, shared gain and sacrifice. As a colgan pilot I experienced a seniority transfer within the ISL, not a longevity transfer. My years of service did not change but the terms of the Bloch award determined my integrated seniority. Mgmt wouldn't agree to allowing someone to get hired at a higher starting pay unless the entire pay scale was reduced in the form of a concession. So I guess you are correct in that it would never work.

That would be cool, but do you think the majors would go for that? Honestly, I'd love to have my 1996 PCL seniority.

I'm original Pinnacle. Didn't see a lot of sympathy for us when the bankruptcy agreement was being negotiated or ratified. You want me to vote no, you make sure I get my longevity and seniority where I have to go. Other than that, I think I'll take my 5+ earned years and keep my job.

I think year 2 at SKW is more than the 5yr mark payrate y'all voted in. But hey, at least you get to keep your job for a few more months, right? :rolleyes:

Few months? Are we furloughing in a few months?