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Nope we'll be trying to hire. Trying.

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Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1373726)

Few months? Are we furloughing in a few months?

I guess that many have left not too? When do the 200s go away?

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Originally Posted by Slats (Post 1373738)

I guess that many have left not too? When do the 200s go away?

Parking of 200s has been delayed for remainder of the year at least...possibly longer since the parking of the 200s is directly tied with delivery of the 717s from AirTran which has been subsequenty delayed (I guess SWA still needed them). As for rumors...Ive heard everything under the sun from no furloughs planned at all now, possible hiring, more 700/900s and even such rumors that we may keep a few 200s since 9E is so cheap now. Believe it when it happens.

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Originally Posted by xjcrew1 (Post 1373538)

Won't happen, they tried that at Mesaba back when we first got the 900's. Union came back and told them, if you want to give hiring bonuses, you have to give it to all current pilots as well. Put the kibosh on that one.

They tried it at Pinnacle. The union let them since the company came back with there wasn't anything in the contract that prevented them from offering extra. Result: Guys came in, worked for six month, got their couple of bonuses (for completeing training and staying 6 months) then went to Skywest, ExpressJet or ASA.

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Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1373605)

Biggest problem with our industry - lack of a real union.

A real union would have:

1) not even put the crap contract out for a vote
2) not sold it as a job saver
3) shut the company down and slotted the furlough pilots in at seniority and longevity across the other union carriers, thus mitigating the losses.

A union should be shared gain and sacrifice. ALPA isn't a real union.

So you should come ahead of other 2007 FOs at, say, ExressJet, because your gamble of staying at Pinnacle didn't work out? How's that fair? You should have left when the warning signs were clear. I'll give you carrying longevity for pay purposes, but not seniority. It isn't fair to leaprfrog in schedules/upgrade ahead of current other airline pilots because yours took a turn for the worst and you decided to stay on the sinking ship. I will give you longevity transfer, but management could hire a newbie instead of paying you 5 years worth. Nothing stops that.

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Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1373726)

Few months? Are we furloughing in a few months?

Depends. Are you losing 140 airplanes in the next few years. Or, as the latest rumor has it, will these stick around even longer, negating all the job threats given to pass the concessionary contract.

Ah, the National Seniority List rears its ugly head from a predictable corner--the pilots at a failed carrier.

GF

Collectively pilots don't see big picture even thought individually they might. There will never be anything done for the greater good.

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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 1373796)

Ah, the National Seniority List rears its ugly head from a predictable corner--the pilots at a failed carrier.

GF

A national seniority list isn't feasible, but a longevity list (carry pay over at applicable level) could be. Problem is, then the airlines don't have to hire a 7th RJ guy at 7th year salary. They'll just take a newbie with 1-2 years longevity.

In any case, unions have made the seniority system what it is today, for better and for worse.

I'm not really interested in getting in between the Colgan and pinnacle/Mesaba flame war here but, I would like to point one thing out.
If you receive a benefit small or windfall, you should recognize it. Be humble and not throw it in people's faces. If you deny that you received a benefit and claim that it's rightly your seat or plane or whatever, you come off as a douche bag. Don't defend a piece of garbage, acknowledge it for what it is.

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Originally Posted by pa28dakota (Post 1373754)

717s are going to be coming online at least a month late, so that delays the deliveries of the 900, which delays the parking of the 200s.