I agree it gets old. I'm guilty. But much of the talk comes from the result of every "successful" airline applying pressure of said failed carrier to fall on the sword and hold out for Skywest's coveted second year FO pay as 2000 pilots hit the street looking for a job.

Well guess what:

1) we aren't a union
2) we can't transfer seniority/longevity
3) we'd rather keep our jobs for a few more months

Does anyone really think you'd get a jet at Skywest? lol! It'll take 4+ years at any average regional to get to the wage rate we are making as topped out FOs. And I care about 0% about helping a non-union carrier - Skywest, keep good payrates. lolol!

ShyGuy should know more than anyone about working at a non-union carrier undercutting the industry... lol!

Just spit-balling here...

The biggest hindrance is the the structure of the pay scales themselves. Why do we have regional payscales that take 18 years to mature?
ALPA should focus on two things: A) Having payscales that mature a hell of a lot quicker; like 5 years (but mature to the same values) And B) Getting national pay scales for the same equipment. Soft money can be left up to the individual pilot groups to negotiate. But if your airline wants to fly a CRJ-200 or 757, the pay scale would be the same for all carriers. Uncle Phil couldn't just bend his next pilot group over with crappy pay rates; wipe his **** off on the curtains when he's done and leave with a nice golden parachute.

Just sayin'...

Cencal, 70/HR second year, right behind United, Delta, and Jetblue. Higher than Allegiant, Spirit, Frontier, so I'd say it's right in the middle. That's not undercutting anyone. And you are a yes voter, so you're the last person who has any right to beotch about non-union airlines like Skywest or VX. You voted you aren't worth 43.50/HR, you thought 37/HR was good enough. You'd fly for free if it meant keeping currency. Talk with your feet or you have no right laughing about Skywest or VX when you voted yes to make 9E the next Mesa.

Right behind Delta? Like 30% behind. :rolleyes:

Well, if you want to nitpick :p

I'd like to nitpick slats video: (clearly an ERJ)

A tribute to Delta and Skywest Airlines - YouTube

Right behind aka next in line order. It was listed highest and on down. I don't think Delta pay for a 52 airplane operation is realistic, so within the same scope, aka Spirit, Allegiant, and Frontier, VX is competitive.

And the song used is about masterbation.

Yeah but can you do this? I'm getting close.

World Record for Kicking Self in Head - YouTube