Holding ASA and XJT MEC's accountable

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03-27-2013 | 08:29 AM

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MoarAlpha

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There's no need. The ASA MEC has several years of polling shoring overwhelming support (90%) for our current PBS system. The Expressjet MEC has polling showing overwhelming support against any PBS system.

Correct. Stated by management.

No need to vote amongst all the Xjet pilots?

I'm pretty sure there is sir.

03-27-2013 | 08:32 AM

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What I meant was... If we can get a real solid poll out now.. today. and then using that CURRENT result, go into combined negotiations. Have each mec swear to negotiate whatever result the poll shows the combined pilot group wants. Regardless of previous stance.

03-27-2013 | 08:35 AM

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How about you and the MECs do some growing up. That would be much easier.

This is why we're our own worst enemy. Stop the infighting and finger pointing. Let's look for real solutions!

03-27-2013 | 08:37 AM

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Agreed. If they can put simple polls on xjet.com why can't our union put one out to the 2 pilot groups? Heaven forbid they negotiate for what we want.

03-27-2013 | 08:55 AM

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No need to vote amongst all the Xjet pilots?

I'm pretty sure there is sir.

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The reason why that won't happen is because ALPA doesn't care what the rank and file think. They know what's best for you, far better than you do. And there's some truth to it. Often, pilot groups underestimate their own negotiating power and settle far too easily, when they could have gotten a better deal. So of course, management uses these polls to their advantage. Part of why ASA contract 2007 took so long is that the MEC refused to put it out for vote earlier that year, because it wasn't good enough, but they knew the pilots would ratify it. management was pushing them hard to put it out for vote. The MEC wisely refused, and got a much better deal later.

03-27-2013 | 09:08 AM

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^^ Well, that was my idea for a solution.. What's your'es?

03-27-2013 | 09:54 AM

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^^ Well, that was my idea for a solution.. What's your'es?

You need a problem before you go searching for a solution. Just because management said we need to pursue a merger doesn't make it so. My solution is to maintain the status quo for both sides... separately. Then vote with our feet when new opportunities arise.

03-27-2013 | 10:28 AM

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This is why we're our own worst enemy. Stop the infighting and finger pointing. Let's look for real solutions!

I agree whole heartedly...I seek to end divisive rhetoric....Captain Tony needs to pipe down.

03-27-2013 | 10:35 AM

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Tony...That's not a real solution. There are great benefits of a successful merger for both pilot groups and the company as well. It would be silly for us to not work toward one pilot group.

One problem is that the MECs become detached from the pilot groups. The negotiations quickly turn to ****ing match with the only interest is winning the battle and the desires of the pilot group falls by the wayside.

Maybe another option could be to increase the number of members of negotiating group. Why do we have a such a small group representing such a large number of pilots. More members could equal a more fair representation of the pilot group. Then a 2/3 majority wins the issue and we move on

Just trying to think of solutions....