My point is, don't expect them to wait for the current CBA schedule to do that. The promise of shiny new metal (or not) will mean they can accelerate that plan.

thanks to ALPA and the eagle pilots going to AA. they sold out here and they will be the first to sell out at aa. its in there gene pool to be cowards.

buddies, drink a bottle of wine man, you're wound up tight right now. I'm not used to seeing you like this.

wound up or not, what i said is true.

OK, I'm one of the guys going over in about two months. Numbered guy. I voted NO on this contract, and was very vocal on this very forum, as well as the ta forum. I will not be accused of being a sellout. Not by you or anyone. Freaking cool down, buddies. Normally, you are quite level headed.

Not only that, look in the mirror. YOU accepted a job here right? That makes you a sellout too, if you use your over reaching definition of a sell out.

what i left out and my fault was the 75%'ers in my original statement. that is what i was referring to but you are correct, as written it was referring to all.
sorry. GIN time.

So is there anything positive about Eagle?

two negatives make a positive.
management sucks + union sucks = overdrive for implosion.

As far as the senior guys selling the junior guys out. Well not everyone did but there are many captains running around who voted yes and bragged about how good the TA was, they also spent time telling their FO how we needed this TA. Now these guys are talking about how they can't wait to flow via numbered or 824.

As far as management and union implosion, well apparently there is a possibility of a shake up in both sides in the coming weeks.

WARich, man I appreciate that you are doing your homework about a regional but you also need to understand that on online forums you will find some very good information but at the same time you will get much *****ing, moaning and doom and gloom from the so called I speak the truth or I have my connections.

Eagle has a corrupt representatives that will be replaced either way in August, that doesn't mean the replacements will be better. But if you read around all unions are ****ed at their reps and want them replaced, ours just drink more and bend over for management a little more as well.

Eagle management is bad and is getting worse as they know their time is coming as US Airways already said that 1000 or so manager will go bye bye and we have many managers who won't fit the mold, starting with the CEO. So management will likely be shuffled and we don't know if we will get an improvement.

Eagle spin off, they threat about it but their best time to do it was during BK, only a hand full of managers are talking about it while the rest say its on hold and unlikely. Spin off serves no purpose and it isn't likely to happen. The reason that this always comes up is because AMR management uses it as leverage but we know they are very secretive about what they do so...

As far as a fleet plan, we will shrink to 230 or so airplanes by years end with no aircraft orders on the books and with more airplanes likely being parked at any moment. That same can be said for any other regional but we have the most fuzzy future.

As far as pay, eagle is average

Soft pay, below average

As far as work rules we are average and mainly protected by FAR

We have a 6 year upgrade (on paper) meaning it has been awarded but the pilot is not seating on the seat yet as he is awaiting training

For a regional we are overall one of the better ones, good training, safe equipment that is well maintained but heavily MELd and good resources.

We are likely to see a high number as far as attrition but it could be countered with less airframes.

Currently hiring, upgrading and all bases have many more FO than captains, meaning that AMr can upgrade as they are doing.

I would highly recommend that if you come to eagle don't take the 5k as that would allow you to bail if you need to, the bad thing about rah is that you have a training contract and would be locked for two years there but they are likely to keep their current large RJ fleet for a while. It's a toss up, I like eagle but i dislike the current situation and hate management but I would probably say the same at any major!

RAH has a fleet plan, awarded new flying, new birds, same upgrade time as Eagle, work rules? About the same thanks to Alpa.

Now the positive about Eagle:
Company E-mail
The ability to sign in for your trip right from your iPhone !

Thanks! Looking forward to setting reserve on the beach:)

Thanks for the info.

Thanks for the info.....I understand every regional is going to have their pros and cons.....to me, every moan sounds like any other moan you'll find sometimes depending on who you talk to at any company....its funny, it's even easy to find dudes moaning about their job at one of the majors.......so some people I just think are never happy........but thanks again for the info I appreciate it.....

The loudest voices from any company in any industry will be from the unhappy people.

R J Pilot complains about Eagle, but he still works here:confused: Eagle is no better or worst than any other regional out there. Good Luck in your future decision Warich.

I'm riding this puppy till the checks stop clearing.

If you handed RJ pilot a million bucks he'd still b*tch and moan because it wasn't a billion.

What could they "sell out" on at AA ?

[QUOTE=What;1403760]As far as the senior guys selling the junior guys out. Well not everyone did but there are many captains running around who voted yes and bragged about how good the TA was, they also spent time telling their FO how we needed this TA. Now these guys are talking about how they can't wait to flow via numbered or 824.

As far as management and union implosion, well apparently there is a possibility of a shake up in both sides in the coming weeks.

WARich, man I appreciate that you are doing your homework about a regional but you also need to understand that on online forums you will find some very good information but at the same time you will get much *****ing, moaning and doom and gloom from the so called I speak the truth or I have my connections.

Eagle has a corrupt representatives that will be replaced either way in August, that doesn't mean the replacements will be better. But if you read around all unions are ****ed at their reps and want them replaced, ours just drink more and bend over for management a little more as well.

Eagle management is bad and is getting worse as they know their time is coming as US Airways already said that 1000 or so manager will go bye bye and we have many managers who won't fit the mold, starting with the CEO. So management will likely be shuffled and we don't know if we will get an improvement.

Eagle spin off, they threat about it but their best time to do it was during BK, only a hand full of managers are talking about it while the rest say its on hold and unlikely. Spin off serves no purpose and it isn't likely to happen. The reason that this always comes up is because AMR management uses it as leverage but we know they are very secretive about what they do so...

As far as a fleet plan, we will shrink to 230 or so airplanes by years end with no aircraft orders on the books and with more airplanes likely being parked at any moment. That same can be said for any other regional but we have the most fuzzy future.

As far as pay, eagle is average

Soft pay, below average

As far as work rules we are average and mainly protected by FAR

We have a 6 year upgrade (on paper) meaning it has been awarded but the pilot is not seating on the seat yet as he is awaiting training

For a regional we are overall one of the better ones, good training, safe equipment that is well maintained but heavily MELd and good resources.

We are likely to see a high number as far as attrition but it could be countered with less airframes.

Currently hiring, upgrading and all bases have many more FO than captains, meaning that AMr can upgrade as they are doing.

I would highly recommend that if you come to eagle don't take the 5k as that would allow you to bail if you need to, the bad thing about rah is that you have a training contract and would be locked for two years there but they are likely to keep their current large RJ fleet for a while. It's a toss up, I like eagle but i dislike the current situation and hate management but I would probably say the same at any major![/QUOTE]

Why would you not take the 5k and just hold it. If you leave, you pay it back. If you're still there 2 years later, you're 5k richer. Seems dumb not to take it unless they have some language in the contract that I am unaware of.

I am not aware of the language tied up with this contract, I am not certain if it is as easy as just pay it back it you leave, if it's pro-rated or if you have to pay more.

Aren't they parking all those 135's and some 140's by years end?

Why do you get much joy of saying this everyday? It's like you want to say it so you sound important as you are senior and this won't affect you greatly. I stated this in my post earlier today, we get it the smaller airplanes are being parked and we are told we are getting larger, maybe if we are not expensive, blah blah blah... We get it, get over yourself

When are the 824 suppose to go?