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wayway8 04-29-2013 07:04 PM

I've been hearing everywhere but ORD. And EMB AFAIK.

RJ Pilot 04-30-2013 02:21 PM

Expect some CRJ slots soon.

astec 04-30-2013 02:59 PM

Ya the amount of people willing to go JFK is small

Ar Pilot 05-01-2013 11:22 AM

So reserve for EMB at LGA is likely to be shorter than CRJ at LGA?

What 05-01-2013 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by Ar Pilot (Post 1401582)
So reserve for EMB at LGA is likely to be shorter than CRJ at LGA?

Hard to tell due to the CRJ's moving to NY

buddies8 05-01-2013 11:53 AM

next bid in a few months will have more CRJ's leaving ORD for East Coast basing.

What 05-02-2013 01:39 PM

Eagle's most junior Captain DOH is March 2007 (unofficially)

Aviatrx 05-02-2013 02:11 PM

Are bid results posted yet?

meeko031 05-02-2013 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1401593)
Hard to tell due to the CRJ's moving to NY

are the FOs that will eventually going to be displaced out of the EMB due to the inbound CRJs have the opportunity to bid for the CRJ in NY or do they transfer along with the EMB ac?

Aviatrx 05-02-2013 02:18 PM

They proffered to displace to jfk crj

babs 05-02-2013 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by meeko031 (Post 1402358)
are the FOs that will eventually going to be displaced out of the EMB due to the inbound CRJs have the opportunity to bid for the CRJ in NY or do they transfer along with the EMB ac?

If you are displaced from your current status, you get to choose whatever you can hold with your seniority.

What 05-02-2013 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by babs (Post 1402362)
If you are displaced from your current status, you get to choose whatever you can hold with your seniority.

And by whatever he means seat equipment and base. A senior FO on the ERJ in NY could be displaced and bid whatever his seniority could hold to include a Captain seat if he is senior enough.

flycrj200 05-03-2013 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by Aviatrx (Post 1402353)
Are bid results posted yet?

Yes, the are posted on JetNet now.

flycrj200 05-03-2013 02:08 PM

Would I get three moving days if I'm awarded a base I proffered for?

snippercr 05-03-2013 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1402374)
And by whatever he means seat equipment and base. A senior FO on the ERJ in NY could be displaced and bid whatever his seniority could hold to include a Captain seat if he is senior enough.

Of which MANY LFEs proffered and got captain on other statuses.

The Chow 05-03-2013 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by flycrj200 (Post 1402994)
Would I get three moving days if I'm awarded a base I proffered for?

Yes. Expect an annoying HI6 towards the end of the month.
Congrats. This should help your commute.

What 05-03-2013 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by flycrj200 (Post 1402994)
Would I get three moving days if I'm awarded a base I proffered for?

Did you proffer to displace of did you bid it? Two very different scenarios as both will get you 3 move days but if you were awarded a vacancy only one of them is paid while the other two are unpaid... Displaced get 3 paid move days plus if relocating you will get 4 days off at your discretion, in other words you can take them over a 4 day trip and get paid for it "for moving purposes"!!! ;)

WARich 05-04-2013 05:24 AM

With the new information concerning the CRJs, any idea if this will change greatly the ability to get DFW out of training, or soon after?

What 05-04-2013 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by WARich (Post 1403205)
With the new information concerning the CRJs, any idea if this will change greatly the ability to get DFW out of training, or soon after?

It will depend on what is offered in class, if you the ERJ you should be able to get DFW as long as hiring continues.

RJ Pilot 05-04-2013 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1403211)
It will depend on what is offered in class, if you the ERJ you should be able to get DFW as long as hiring continues.

Hiring to replace the flows. Parking planes will continue. So really it's a status quo situation with shrink along the way.

Remember, USair along with Alpa are saying that Eagle is to costly.

What 05-04-2013 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1403219)
Hiring to replace the flows. Parking planes will continue. So really it's a status quo situation with shrink along the way.

Remember, USair along with Alpa are saying that Eagle is to costly.

ALPA is posturing to pass PBS, the whole uncertainty about our cost being archived is tied to PBS.

SkylineAviation 05-04-2013 06:28 AM

Eagle life
 
Not exactly. RJ is actually kind of right with regards to US management saying we may be too costly. If you read the newsblast yesterday, they referred to the possibility that eagle possibly being too costly especially in the post-pinnacle bankruptcy environment.

buddies8 05-04-2013 06:35 AM

well then let parker get pinnacle to fly for the new AA. my attitude these days if the the flight leaves sobe it, if it arrives at destination so be it, i dont do no one elses job. leave late, misconect so be it. you pay for what you get. pay little get little back in motivation. simple as that.

more power to the pinaccle pilots, dont wish them any bad wishes, but if parker wants there cost then hire them.

By the way, PBS will be passed by these corrupt union officials at eagle before the end of june this year, because word is they willbe out by then from office. they are all scurrying to get requald on there old aircraft.

What 05-04-2013 07:13 AM

If the new management thinks we are expensive they can shut the place down and give the flying to someone else. The union is saying that management doesn't know if we are going to achieve the BK savings for the company and that could be a problem with the "pinnacle era". Well they currently fill classes at the refionals and exept is to take paycuts. I am sorry, our pilot cost are average in the industry... Remember that the only thing they are looking to outsource is the Pilots, FA and dispatchers. They will keep the rampers, gate agent and other functions. This is just them trying to continue the race to the bottom and our union is trying to get PBS passed and they are using this threat. Our pilot group is not expensive. They can't fill classes and have to cancel flights because they don't have enough pilots!!!

buddies8 05-04-2013 07:22 AM

let egale shut down, then they will achieve the lowest cost structure they wish.
burn it down for all i care. tony and his crying wolf bs is old and we have had enough, maybe the 75% who voted yes are doing well. There pay rates have not changed to the increase they were told, chicago is beng replaced with Republic, junior pilots being awarded flying out of seniority and having senior pilots sitting reserve, etc.

RJ Pilot 05-04-2013 10:13 AM

It's still beyond me why pilots still want to come work here.

buddies8 05-04-2013 10:32 AM

oooohh, ooooh i know, i get a pref interview at aa osmetine in 20 years.

450knotOffice 05-04-2013 11:26 AM

People use the place to get enough 121 jet time to move on to a Major or National. No one is looking for a career when they come here.

buddies8 05-04-2013 11:32 AM

is that how you justify everything. the same sell outs here are going to the mainlines, the stripes dont change and balls dont just grow.

flysooner9 05-04-2013 11:37 AM

On the plus side our upgrade is down to an amazingly short 6 years again...

buddies8 05-04-2013 11:40 AM

soon it will be four years if the 824 do as they talk, bravado.

RJ Pilot 05-04-2013 12:04 PM

That's a big IF....

flysooner9 05-04-2013 12:30 PM

Could be even less if the 824 isn't metered to tightly.

lakehouse 05-04-2013 01:28 PM

remember they didnt hire for two years, they are getting into 07 with a 6 year upgrade, it will take some time as they hired alot in 07 into 08, but mid/early 08 it stopped till 2010. So when they get through 08, which is 5 years, it will drop. With the 824 it COULD be early next year they are through 08. If that were the case, it would drop to a 4 year upgrade and we did not hire many in 2010, the next big chunk was 11. I think by next summer it drops a good amount.

Until the next turd sandwich comes of course. However there is a reason they are packing the classes right now. They could hire 500 by this time next summer, looking back to the start of this year, that is a good amount of upgrades, esp with us being fat on FOs right now.

Just playing a what if game, but IF the 824 goes, and goes at the expected rate, the upgrade time is going to plummet, esp with United hiring and Delta getting ready to get back into it, as well as AA.

eaglefly 05-04-2013 03:16 PM

PBS is a done deal and that will eliminate all the extra pay for no flying across the board. Now you've got 6-year Captains, which is competitive. There's only one other place that's uncompetitive as I have said many times and its senior captain compensation. Even with Letter 3 attrition and the 824, there will still be many hundreds (500 ?) of high-cost senior captains close to or topped out on pay and getting dollar-for-dollar 401(k) matching, now or in the near future. Parker won't support that and that is their bulls-eye. It's really the only place left to gut. It's a virtual certainty, that will be the ultimatum for a fleet plan and more larger aircraft.

This really shouldn't be a surprise as its been coming for several years. It's all they used to talk about, but knew they couldn't get it from a judge (hence the reason there never was an 1113 for Eagle pilots) and knew they would have to use leverage outside of a courtroom. Well, here comes that leverage..........

What 05-04-2013 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1403528)
PBS is a done deal and that will eliminate all the extra pay for no flying across the board. Now you've got 6-year Captains, which is competitive. There's only one other place that's uncompetitive as I have said many times and its senior captain compensation. Even with Letter 3 attrition and the 824, there will still be many hundreds (500 ?) of high-cost senior captains close to or topped out on pay and getting dollar-for-dollar 401(k) matching, now or in the near future. Parker won't support that and that is their bulls-eye. It's really the only place left to gut. It's a virtual certainty, that will be the ultimatum for a fleet plan and more larger aircraft.

This really shouldn't be a surprise as its been coming for several years. It's all they used to talk about, but knew they couldn't get it from a judge (hence the reason there never was an 1113 for Eagle pilots) and knew they would have to use leverage outside of a courtroom. Well, here comes that leverage..........

The contract calls for a longevity adjustment in less than 3 years, calculated for CA and FO individually. So whomever stays at Eagle will likely give up pay steps in a few years.

buddies8 05-04-2013 03:27 PM

F this place and management along with the union. burn it.

eaglefly 05-04-2013 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1403531)
The contract calls for a longevity adjustment in less than 3 years, calculated for CA and FO individually. So whomever stays at Eagle will likely give up pay steps in a few years.

Agreed, but that's with the current fleet. However, pay-to-play will return sooner and the ultimatum given will be fly cheaper or growth goes elsewhere. 1990's whipsawing is back.

buddies8 05-04-2013 04:46 PM

thats when my flights will be all late to make up for the paycut. as the wheel keeps on turning.

What 05-04-2013 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1403566)
Agreed, but that's with the current fleet. However, pay-to-play will return sooner and the ultimatum given will be fly cheaper or growth goes elsewhere. 1990's whipsawing is back.

Pay to pay!?!? They can't get enought people at the regionals while offering bonuses.

Even if they re fleet the adjustment will take place on seniority basis only, the pay rates are not part of the adjustment and a 76 seater at eagle would be flown for 65 seat wages. AMR has the ammunition to adjust the longevity at eagle to the lowest two regionals with 150 aircraft or so. So with pinnacle having only a 12 year step and republic likely to have the least amount if lifers out of all the larger regionals the current contract allows AMR to have likely the lowest captain cost as far as senior folks go.


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