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SkylineAviation 04-27-2013 05:10 AM

Eagle life
 
RJ you're a joke. You just don't have a clue do you. I'm not going to get into a petty argument with you but you have no idea about anything especially who I am.

feltf4 04-27-2013 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by SkylineAviation (Post 1399062)
RJ you're a joke. You just don't have a clue do you. I'm not going to get into a petty argument with you but you have no idea about anything especially who I am.

No. RJ is fantastic. Why you ask? Because I know, no matter what I do in life, there will always be someone else who is more miserable, unhappy and less liked than me!

eaglefly 04-27-2013 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by SkylineAviation (Post 1399062)
RJ you're a joke. You just don't have a clue do you. I'm not going to get into a petty argument with you but you have no idea about anything especially who I am.

According to him, identities are his specialty. ;)

Then again, according to him, someone named "Joey" was the king of L-Eagle doom & gloom and now look where we are.......:cool:

What 04-27-2013 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1399098)
According to him, identities are his specialty. ;)

Then again, according to him, someone named "Joey" was the king of L-Eagle doom & gloom and now look where we are.......:cool:

You will just not let it go will ya?

eaglefly 04-27-2013 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1399101)
You will just not let it go will ya?

Let what go ?

You seem to have no sense of humor. I realize its a very stressful time at Eagle, but perhaps it's time to bid for a vacation ?

eaglefly 04-27-2013 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1398586)
I have been here over two year, enough time to see that pilots at Eagle and other airlines will step all over each other if it gives them a glimpse of something that could be good for them. Pilots will fear the unknown and cave in to management with the help of the unions. It not only Eagle, it's avery regional...

Sad, but true. It's always been that way. As for L-Eagle, too many are panicking at the present uncertainty. Yes, the fleet plan that was "just around the corner" was a fable sold to you by your corrupt union leadership, but your present carrier won't likely disappear soon. Tough to act on a new fleet while still in Chapter 11 (AA placed their orders/options prior). I think once BK is exited, this carrier will be slated for new airframes, most likely the CRJ-700/900. As your EMB's melt over the next several years, they'll be replaced by airframes for both your carrier and others, that will result in a smaller carrier, but one that is still integral to AA's feeder system.

Your biggest threat is your current union leadership. Soon, you'll likely see them making alterations to your agreement with the company and that will include a more "company friendly" PBS than anticipated. Additionally, partly due to that and your pay indexing, the days of the $120,000/year RJ captain are over. PBS will ensure that if you choose to knock yourself silly flying the maximum 1000 hours/year, you'll get 1000 hours of pay at the new indexed rates. A senior captain doing that at perhaps 12 days off/month or less will be about $85,000/year plus per diem.

The above isn't doom & gloom, just economic reality for the regional industry and with staggered contracts, they'll forever keep the sword of Damocles over regional pilots head to be the cheapest bidder. No one however is likely to be unemployed anytime soon though.

buddies8 04-27-2013 09:03 AM

and mainline will then be forced to pass mainline domestic flying to the new cheaper regional feed because that is what all mainlines have and will do and done. viscious circle, to bad alpa causes all of the damage. the new aa will have to give up on scope again if they want to keep the payrates they have now in the mou.

450knotOffice 04-27-2013 10:24 AM

Nah. I don't see that happening. The Legacy mainline guys all seem to have drawn the line in the sand. IMO, continued scope relaxation is dead.

eaglefly 04-27-2013 12:52 PM

Yes and no. Only so many routes/frequencies will be suitable for <76-seaters and regionals will be hamstrung in the future of not having enough F/O's in the pipeline. The ability to get pilots and higher yield economics of > 76-seats will bolster mainline over regional in the future. That being said 64 and 76-seat RJ's will still have a significant role and the AA network will have hundreds of them, again spread out among 3-4 carriers.

Just my .02.

RJ Pilot 04-27-2013 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by SkylineAviation (Post 1399062)
RJ you're a joke. You just don't have a clue do you. I'm not going to get into a petty argument with you but you have no idea about anything especially who I am.

Go back and hit the ATP written prep would you.

RJ Pilot 04-27-2013 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by feltf4 (Post 1399079)
No. RJ is fantastic. Why you ask? Because I know, no matter what I do in life, there will always be someone else who is more miserable, unhappy and less liked than me!

How is ground school going? Loving that ERJ?

RJ Pilot 04-27-2013 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1399098)
According to him, identities are his specialty. ;)

Then again, according to him, someone named "Joey" was the king of L-Eagle doom & gloom and now look where we are.......:cool:

Hey Whats up Joey? Long time no see! Im still in the process of opening my own photography business. Any pointers?

RJ Pilot 04-27-2013 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1399105)
Let what go ?

You seem to have no sense of humor. I realize its a very stressful time at Eagle, but perhaps it's time to bid for a vacation ?

Stressful? Not really. I don't have nothing to worry.

SkylineAviation 04-27-2013 04:26 PM

Eagle life
 
Haha...I laugh at jokes like you RJ. Why would I hit the ATP prep?

Let me also ask, how many NDAs have you signed as a matter of business in the real business world? How many deals have you discussed and signed with other business owners and leaders? How much real life experience do you have that makes you know so much?

Everyone on this site knows the answer....0.

But you know me? I've had my ATP. This is not my first airline or corporate job for me unlike you. I've singed NDAs, met with business leaders and owners and will do so this week while I'm flying as well.

I can school you all day if you would like. I would love to see you out from behind your computer screen making ignorant remarks. I'm in the real world flying and in business when I'm not flying. Who are you?

eaglefly 04-27-2013 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1399299)
Hey Whats up Joey? Long time no see! Im still in the process of opening my own photography business. Any pointers?

???

My iPhone has a great camera. Aim and shoot !

eaglefly 04-27-2013 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1399300)
Stressful? Not really. I don't have nothing to worry.

....about (actually it's "anything to worry about").

:-)

RJ Pilot 04-27-2013 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by SkylineAviation (Post 1399305)
Haha...I laugh at jokes like you RJ. Why would I hit the ATP prep?

Let me also ask, how many NDAs have you signed as a matter of business in the real business world? How many deals have you discussed and signed with other business owners and leaders? How much real life experience do you have that makes you know so much?

Everyone on this site knows the answer....0.

But you know me? I've had my ATP. This is not my first airline or corporate job for me unlike you. I've singed NDAs, met with business leaders and owners and will do so this week while I'm flying as well.

I can school you all day if you would like. I would love to see you out from behind your computer screen making ignorant remarks. I'm in the real world flying and in business when I'm not flying. Who are you?

Im you dad.

WARich 04-28-2013 05:01 AM

Last time I checked the title on this thread was "Eagle Life"......so lets get back to it......

RJ Pilot 04-28-2013 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by WARich (Post 1399470)
Last time I checked the title on this thread was "Eagle Life"......so lets get back to it......

Latest updates:

AQP tentative Agreement. =good.
AE wont be metering pilots to AA.=good.
Downsizing more than planned for now.=bad.

There you have it.

What 04-28-2013 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1399477)
Latest updates:

AQP tentative Agreement. =good.
AE wont be metering pilots to AA.=good.
Downsizing more than planned for now.=bad.

There you have it.

Where did it say downsizing more than planned?

Spoiler 04-28-2013 06:35 AM

Parking 140's temporarily

RJ Pilot 04-28-2013 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by Spoiler (Post 1399493)
Parking 140's temporarily

this. but move along, nothing to see here.

What 04-28-2013 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by Spoiler (Post 1399493)
Parking 140's temporarily

I ask again, where did you hear this? That the company will park airplanes temporarily? You really think that with the 1,500 hr rule, even if they do the proposed 1000 and 750 exemptions, the 20 a month for the 824 and the other airlines hiring as projected that they will be able to park airplanes "temporarily". If the airplanes go to the desert, sadly I don't think we will be able to get them back in property again due to staffing. Shrinking and then trying to grow in this environment is very hard. Ask Mesa and TSA. THe displacements and people shuffling will create a huge mess again, we are almost done with the bubble of FOQ, LAX and ATR, the ORD CRJ will likely take care of it self for the most part.

Spoiler 04-28-2013 07:02 AM

I'm good friends with the top guy at the valet parking kiosk at IGM

eaglefly 04-28-2013 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1399477)
Latest updates:

AQP tentative Agreement. =good.
AE wont be metering pilots to AA.=good.
Downsizing more than planned for now.=bad.

There you have it.

Consider the source (a known tree of rotten apples).

The "metering" aspect isn't really a major issue for 2013 for Eagle. First street/824 hires are expected in the 2nd August class at the earliest. That would make 8 classes for the rest of the year (usually not a holiday class at end of December). At 25/class or 50/month that would be 25 824's per month or only 5 more than minimum. AA says 200 "new hires" projected this year once the recall list to include numbered flows is thru, so that jibes. Your MEC needs to push a lot of smokescreen B.S. right now on the flying mushrooms there, so look for a lot of fluffed up cotton candy to distract your efforts at booting them before they can give management their gold bar of PBS. The AQP is another oversell with unknown language for the same reason.

These clowns have played you guys like this successfully before and it's one more time for the sweet souvenir (Bill the Butcher) again. Keep your eye on the ball.

RJ Pilot 04-28-2013 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1399507)
Consider the source (a known tree of rotten apples).

The "metering" aspect isn't really a major issue for 2013 for Eagle. First street/824 hires are expected in the 2nd August class at the earliest. That would make 8 classes for the rest of the year (usually not a holiday class at end of December). At 25/class or 50/month that would be 25 824's per month or only 5 more than minimum. AA says 200 "new hires" projected this year once the recall list to include numbered flows is thru, so that jibes. Your MEC needs to push a lot of smokescreen B.S. right now on the flying mushrooms there, so look for a lot of fluffed up cotton candy to distract your efforts at booting them before they can give management their gold bar of PBS. The AQP is another oversell with unknown language for the same reason.

These clowns have played you guys like this successfully before and it's one more time for the sweet souvenir (Bill the Butcher) again. Keep your eye on the ball.

Whats your source joey? I mean, you seem to be in the know for someone who doesn't even work at Eagle.

Mason32 04-28-2013 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1399507)
Consider the source (a known tree of rotten apples).

The "metering" aspect isn't really a major issue for 2013 for Eagle. First street/824 hires are expected in the 2nd August class at the earliest. That would make 8 classes for the rest of the year (usually not a holiday class at end of December). At 25/class or 50/month that would be 25 824's per month or only 5 more than minimum. AA says 200 "new hires" projected this year once the recall list to include numbered flows is thru, so that jibes. Your MEC needs to push a lot of smokescreen B.S. right now on the flying mushrooms there, so look for a lot of fluffed up cotton candy to distract your efforts at booting them before they can give management their gold bar of PBS. The AQP is another oversell with unknown language for the same reason.

These clowns have played you guys like this successfully before and it's one more time for the sweet souvenir (Bill the Butcher) again. Keep your eye on the ball.

My source at Eagle says they sent out the AQP LOA yesterday for all to see and read.

I agree, their leaders are not to be trusted, and should have been removed long ago. This highlights how corrupt ALPA is from the top down for allowing these guys to remain in office. That crap doesn't fly over here, and there'd be mass lynchings if that type of stealing member money happened here. The APA ain't perfect, but we don't tolerate thieves.

eaglefly 04-28-2013 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1399513)
Whats your source joey? I mean, you seem to be in the know for someone who doesn't even work at Eagle.

I don't have to currently work at Eagle for info there (23 years was enough). Plenty of "sources" there to fill me in. I wouldn't divulge them to you anyway, not that it would matter. Nothing I tell you would sink in as you still think my name is "joey". My post was a statement for all, but I used your post as a reference for the info, not as a specific answer to you alone.

Now........you're free to return to your one-man cyber clown act. :cool:

eaglefly 04-28-2013 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1399517)
My source at Eagle says they sent out the AQP LOA yesterday for all to see and read.

I agree, their leaders are not to be trusted, and should have been removed long ago. This highlights how corrupt ALPA is from the top down for allowing these guys to remain in office. That crap doesn't fly over here, and there'd be mass lynchings if that type of stealing member money happened here. The APA ain't perfect, but we don't tolerate thieves.

Yes, it's a tenative LOA that requires a final vote. The language does exist, but isn't a done deal yet and plenty of time for delay or alteration (don't forget who is sitting down to discuss and vote on it). Then, once implimented, who knows if it will live up to what they are trumpeting it as. My point was just that this MEC is handing out candy to the kids (again) with the expectation they'll be too distracted liking their all-day suckers to push a mass recall through before the 'opportune moment' (Captain Jack Sparrow).

DR especially is in damage control mode to save his cushy lifestyle. Eagle management needs these guys too as no one (not even the old Texas Mafia) showered them with gifts like these idiots. IMO, these latest "announcements" are a team effort with a specific purpose. They're also blatently violating the reserve turn back rules in the new contract under the subterfuge of a disagreement of interpretation (company inserting preferred intent where it doesn't contractually exist) and the MEC has instructed the kids to fly and grieve (the legal requirement) so things will stay stable and the companies desires will be met. But, we all know how that works out and especially at Eagle, those affected can expect squat in return at the grievance hearing in 18 months........that's if the MEC doesn't agree to trade that for something else before then (something they most likely already contractually have anyway). It's the same old song from the same old band playing again there and it appears that many will once again get up to shake their booty's and gig in denial it's the same song as before. This party goes on in perpituity as long as these pilots refuse to accept this from their leadership and so far, no one has really put their foot down yet. By the time that happens it will have been way too late anyway.

Saw this coming years ago and that's why the flow to AA was a no-brainer. It's almost getting too painful to watch and hear and the info I get almost daily makes me wince more with every revelation. The situation there for the pilots reminds me of a mix of the hysterical insanity of Afghanistan and the cloistered domination of North Korea (complete with meglomaniacal dictator). But, the dance goes on and once an "open" PBS scheduling plan is in place, it's Mesa time in both pay and scheduling quality. I don't care how shiny that CRJ-900 or even E-175 is, that world just ain't worth it.......to me anyway.

WARich 04-28-2013 09:22 AM

So, let's get this straight, with AE parking aircraft they still are looking to hire 600 pilots a year? Can someone explain this? (without getting in a fight guys please)

N927EV 04-28-2013 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by WARich (Post 1399580)
So, let's get this straight, with AE parking aircraft they still are looking to hire 600 pilots a year? Can someone explain this? (without getting in a fight guys please)

The parking of the 140s is a rumor. I just heard it for the first time on this forum. I think he's just trying to antagonize people.

What 04-28-2013 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by N927EV (Post 1399593)
The parking of the 140s is a rumor. I just heard it for the first time on this forum. I think he's just trying to antagonize people.

Exactly,

All we know is that the 135's will be parked by years end leaving eagle 230 ish airplanes, we are hiring 25-30 a month and upgrading while flowing pilots to AA. Don't have a fleet plan, don't know what the future of the company looks like but the same could be said for all regionals.

RJ Pilot 04-28-2013 06:08 PM

Are we really upgrading?

bretthull 04-28-2013 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1399768)
Are we really upgrading?

Yep. 75 CA vacancies.

bretthull 04-28-2013 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by WARich (Post 1399580)
So, let's get this straight, with AE parking aircraft they still are looking to hire 600 pilots a year? Can someone explain this? (without getting in a fight guys please)

It's for attrition. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit but they seem to know it'll be tough finding FO's in the next few years so they are trying to stay fat on pilots.

WARich 04-29-2013 03:41 PM

Thanks......once again, is Eagle still looking like one of the better regionals to go to at this point?

RJ Pilot 04-29-2013 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by WARich (Post 1400274)
Thanks......once again, is Eagle still looking like one of the better regionals to go to at this point?

Parking planes.
No fleet plan.
cant keep up with hiring.
Shrinking.

Dont be fooled by the "massive movement" happening with guys bailing to AA and other majors. As pilots bail, they will accelerate the parking of planes.

TallFlyer 04-29-2013 05:27 PM

I'm curious what the junior bases are around there and how they decide who goes to what airframe.

Thanks....

lakehouse 04-29-2013 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1400308)
Parking planes.
No fleet plan.
cant keep up with hiring.
Shrinking.

Dont be fooled by the "massive movement" happening with guys bailing to AA and other majors. As pilots bail, they will accelerate the parking of planes.

maybe, you have to remember every regional will have the hiring problem. At least management has the most control here on how to deal with it. Parking planes is one way, but if planes are not flying under say RAH as AE, then you bet they will try to fill the gap, and they have the bank roll to do it with the wholey owned RJ airlines. Giving a 50k newhire bonus is still cheaper than canceling massive amounts of flights. It will be their bandaid, as they shirt flying to mainline.

I agree with Eaglefly on the fact that Delta is the only one who is REALLY seeing the crystal ball in all this, and the purchase of PNCL in my opinion at least is a part of it.

bretthull 04-29-2013 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 1400318)
I'm curious what the junior bases are around there and how they decide who goes to what airframe.

Thanks....

Seems new hires are going to all the bases (maybe not ORD). 1st day of class equipment and bases are presented and awarded bases on class seniority.


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