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SkylineAviation 04-15-2013 06:44 PM

Any guesses on how many will shift from CRJ ORD to NY and follow the plane? What percent are commuters that it would be indifferent vs just wanting to stay in base?

lakehouse 04-15-2013 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1391864)
Sorry man... :( I was stating the new upgrades is a good thing.

Go to the EMJ, if you really want to stay in ORD. At the end you will have better options in the future in the EMJ.

I will go to MIA...yay!!!

Famous last words...

Where are you commuting from?

YuppiePilot 04-15-2013 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1391864)
Sorry man... :( I was stating the new upgrades is a good thing.

Go to the EMJ, if you really want to stay in ORD. At the end you will have better options in the future in the EMJ.

I will go to MIA...yay!!!

Thanks man. I'm putting in for the EMJ, as much as I don't wanna go back to training. I'm still hoping that they'll move some CRJs to DFW or MIA. I'll move to either, but never to NY, especially now with having to cover two airports. No thanks.

I checked my 3U/ORD/FO/CRJ/D code today and it showed my bidding status: 179 out of 178. Hilariously sad. LOL

YuppiePilot 04-15-2013 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by SkylineAviation (Post 1391869)
Any guesses on how many will shift from CRJ ORD to NY and follow the plane? What percent are commuters that it would be indifferent vs just wanting to stay in base?

Skyline, I haven't a clue. They're only moving four airplanes in late August for now. Chicago has a lot of commuters, but also a LOT of locals.

PilotJ3 04-15-2013 09:42 PM



Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1391864)
Sorry man... :( I was stating the new upgrades is a good thing.

Go to the EMJ, if you really want to stay in ORD. At the end you will have better options in the future in the EMJ.

I will go to MIA...yay!!!

Famous last words...

Where are you commuting from?
SJU and MCO...

Doble leg from the last 2 years from SJU to ORD (I do have an apt in Chicago). I'm buying a place close MCO.

jumpseat2024 04-16-2013 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by SkylineAviation (Post 1391869)
Any guesses on how many will shift from CRJ ORD to NY and follow the plane? What percent are commuters that it would be indifferent vs just wanting to stay in base?

I'm probably not going to chase it..NY is a harder commute.

flysooner9 04-16-2013 07:26 AM

I should be able to survive this bid but in the future I'm not chasing it to NY. It'll be Dallas EMB for me.

lakehouse 04-16-2013 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1391939)
SJU and MCO...

Doble leg from the last 2 years from SJU to ORD (I do have an apt in Chicago). I'm buying a place close MCO.

Everyone I've seen do SJU mia has gone to ny.

More of mia lives in mco than anywhere else.

PilotJ3 04-17-2013 05:51 AM



Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1391939)
SJU and MCO...

Doble leg from the last 2 years from SJU to ORD (I do have an apt in Chicago). I'm buying a place close MCO.

Everyone I've seen do SJU mia has gone to ny.

More of mia lives in mco than anywhere else.
Yes, but some of them took the NYC codomicile and bid Mia. It was easier if they where just JFK, with LGA being part of the whole operation they chicken out.

Good thing about NY is that you can take the SJU redeye and be in NY at 5:45am.

MCO - MIA have around 9 flights a day in the 757. I just need to give me some flights before the last one to have a backup. Of course everyone thinks "I'll just go in the 10:30pm to MCO", which is full of commuters from AA. Lol

lakehouse 04-17-2013 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1392768)
Yes, but some of them took the NYC codomicile and bid Mia. It was easier if they where just JFK, with LGA being part of the whole operation they chicken out.

Good thing about NY is that you can take the SJU redeye and be in NY at 5:45am.

MCO - MIA have around 9 flights a day in the 757. I just need to give me some flights before the last one to have a backup. Of course everyone thinks "I'll just go in the 10:30pm to MCO", which is full of commuters from AA. Lol

See ya down here!

PilotJ3 04-17-2013 08:17 AM



Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1392768)
Yes, but some of them took the NYC codomicile and bid Mia. It was easier if they where just JFK, with LGA being part of the whole operation they chicken out.

Good thing about NY is that you can take the SJU redeye and be in NY at 5:45am.

MCO - MIA have around 9 flights a day in the 757. I just need to give me some flights before the last one to have a backup. Of course everyone thinks "I'll just go in the 10:30pm to MCO", which is full of commuters from AA. Lol

See ya down here!
I can't wait man...

PICsf340 04-17-2013 03:21 PM

I am hoping to get some insight. If you folks at eagle don't mind, you could PM me or reply on here. I am seriously considering coming to eagle. I was curious as to whether or not a new hire get either DFW or MIA out of training (only a 1 leg commute). If so, how long does it look like a newbie might be on rsv? How many days off does a typical rsv get vs. a line holder? How does it look for upgrade times? Thanks a lot yall. Just looks like I may be losing my job and want to be with a reputable carrier with a decent contract.

wayway8 04-17-2013 03:48 PM

Last class went to NYC. My class in February went everywhere except ORD. If you do apply, remind your friend about the employee referral program.

bretthull 04-17-2013 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by PICsf340 (Post 1393217)
I am hoping to get some insight. If you folks at eagle don't mind, you could PM me or reply on here. I am seriously considering coming to eagle. I was curious as to whether or not a new hire get either DFW or MIA out of training (only a 1 leg commute). If so, how long does it look like a newbie might be on rsv? How many days off does a typical rsv get vs. a line holder? How does it look for upgrade times? Thanks a lot yall. Just looks like I may be losing my job and want to be with a reputable carrier with a decent contract.

Shouldn't have any issues getting either base immediately or right after training. Reserve is anyone's guess, I'd plan on at least a year. RSV get 11 days off line holders are bw 13-18. You can always drop days but your paycheck will suffer.

FlyingPirate 04-17-2013 06:45 PM

Time to upgrade and time on reserve should go down fairly quick with the flowthroughs leaving for AA. Keep in mind that at least 20 a month will go to AA after all those with senority numbers are given a chance. About 150 guys still have numbers before AA hires off the street. I think things will move very quickly in the next few months especially when/if we get a fleet plan. Keep in mind 75 upgrades were just posted.

Dejavu 04-17-2013 06:51 PM

Did they just displace 50 crj pilots from ord ?

bretthull 04-17-2013 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by Dejavu (Post 1393360)
Did they just displace 50 crj pilots from ord ?

Yea 30 CA and 20 FO to NY.

RJ Pilot 04-18-2013 04:13 AM


Originally Posted by Dejavu (Post 1393360)
Did they just displace 50 crj pilots from ord ?

And more to follow.

PilotJ3 04-18-2013 04:29 AM



Originally Posted by Dejavu (Post 1393360)
Did they just displace 50 crj pilots from ord ?

And more to follow.
Didnt they (AMR) said in court that we will e 80% 50 seater a in ORD?

I expect them to get rid of all the CRJ flying.

Sorry to the ones displaced and te ones that will be too soon.

RJ Pilot 04-18-2013 04:44 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1393481)
Didnt they (AMR) said in court that we will e 80% 50 seater a in ORD?

I expect them to get rid of all the CRJ flying.

Sorry to the ones displaced and te ones that will be too soon.

American Eagle wont be leaving ORD. In fact, they will continue service to those cities the C7 was servicing to but with bigger new E-Jets. Thats exciting news!

astec 04-18-2013 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1393490)
American Eagle wont be leaving ORD. In fact, they will continue service to those cities the C7 was servicing to but with bigger new E-Jets. Thats exciting news!

rah rah, I almost can't contain my self... :-|

PilotJ3 04-18-2013 06:34 AM



Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1393481)
Didnt they (AMR) said in court that we will e 80% 50 seater a in ORD?

I expect them to get rid of all the CRJ flying.

Sorry to the ones displaced and te ones that will be too soon.

American Eagle wont be leaving ORD. In fact, they will continue service to those cities the C7 was servicing to but with bigger new E-Jets. Thats exciting news!
Yay!!! Hi5 to all the SJS RAH guys!!! What a joke...lol!!!

People will be "wow!!! New airplanes blah blah blah", and American Eagle will continue to be on top of the worst Costumer Service news.

WBTYM 04-18-2013 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1393490)
American Eagle wont be leaving ORD. In fact, they will continue service to those cities the C7 was servicing to but with bigger new E-Jets. Thats exciting news!

Either you forgot the "S" or "Sarc" or some other signal to note that you are not serious.

There has been no news of new aircraft. Yet. And it will take close to a year to get them on line from the go flag.

Also, while there still may be more than the first 50 displacements in the ORD CRJ, perhaps a lot more displacements from ORD, they have a long way to go; There are a lot of CRJ pilots in ORD, and it is the biggest CRJ base at the moment. This looks like a very slow motion draw down, it won't happen overnight anyway.
And I am not sure that the new management even knows what they want to do yet with Eagle, ORD, the E175 or CRJ7. Certainly having all these other US Air Express carriers added into the fray changes things significantly.

WARich 04-18-2013 02:20 PM

Eagle allows you to drop trips?

PilotJ3 04-18-2013 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by WARich (Post 1393904)
Eagle allows you to drop trips?

Yes, is almost imposible, but it can be done.

buddies8 04-18-2013 02:36 PM

well you can request to drop and if staffing is available they will approve but you never know what the staffing level requirement is, so it is a shot in the dark.

lakehouse 04-18-2013 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by WBTYM (Post 1393861)
Either you forgot the "S" or "Sarc" or some other signal to note that you are not serious.

There has been no news of new aircraft. Yet. And it will take close to a year to get them on line from the go flag.

Also, while there still may be more than the first 50 displacements in the ORD CRJ, perhaps a lot more displacements from ORD, they have a long way to go; There are a lot of CRJ pilots in ORD, and it is the biggest CRJ base at the moment. This looks like a very slow motion draw down, it won't happen overnight anyway.
And I am not sure that the new management even knows what they want to do yet with Eagle, ORD, the E175 or CRJ7. Certainly having all these other US Air Express carriers added into the fray changes things significantly.

Dave, Tony, Doug...that you???????

This is union bull crabs at its finest. How about USAIR management comes in this fall and does whatever they like, and puts things where they want, and takes our fleet plan and throws it out. Thats a serious concern. We already are showing the signs of 'this is what it looks like to take someone who does all your feed, and shrink them down to nothing over a decade.' The most important part was step one, how do you take someone who does all your feed and not upset them while shrinking them......Well here it is, THANKS TONY!

I use to work at a pizza place, they had a sign on the wall, it said 'free beer tomorrow', the fleet plan sure reminds me of that

embraer 04-18-2013 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1393911)
Yes, is almost imposible, but it can be done.

I get my drop requests approved nearly 100% of the time. Entire trips, turns, individual days, and even Reserve days when I bid RSV.

This is in the DFW base. Not sure how staffing levels are in other bases.

Buddies,

In fact we do know what the staffing requirement is for droping trips. Swaps and Drops needs to look at any and all trips that touch the day you want dropped, subtract from the number of available reserves and still have at least 40.

So 40 reserves is the magic number. Remember this takes into consideration not only the number of open trips on the day you are attempting to drop but also trips that touch your day.

Many times I have had a drop request denied due to staffing only to be approved a week or two later as staffing levels change.

PilotJ3 04-18-2013 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by embraer (Post 1394153)
I get my drop requests approved nearly 100% of the time. Entire trips, turns, individual days, and even Reserve days when I bid RSV.

This is in the DFW base. Not sure how staffing levels are in other bases.

Buddies,

In fact we do know what the staffing requirement is for droping trips. Swaps and Drops needs to look at any and all trips that touch the day you want dropped, subtract from the number of available reserves and still have at least 40.

So 40 reserves is the magic number. Remember this takes into consideration not only the number of open trips on the day you are attempting to drop but also trips that touch your day.

Many times I have had a drop request denied due to staffing only to be approved a week or two later as staffing levels change.

ORD is a different story man... lol! I said it can be done, not always but it can.

RJ Pilot 04-19-2013 04:17 AM

With the jungle junk jets being parked, staffing shouldn't be an issue.

embraer 04-19-2013 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1394171)
ORD is a different story man... lol! I said it can be done, not always but it can.

Yeah from what I can tell the staffing levels for FOs from best to worst go something like this:

MIA

NY

DFW

ORD

This based on how often reserves get called out in each base and how often swap/drop requests are approved. Of course this will all change as people flow to AA, upgrade, etc....

RJ Pilot 04-19-2013 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by embraer (Post 1394293)
Yeah from what I can tell the staffing levels for FOs from best to worst go something like this:

MIA

NY

DFW

ORD

This based on how often reserves get called out in each base and how often swap/drop requests are approved. Of course this will all change as people flow to AA, upgrade, etc....

People are flowing already since 2-3 months ago.

PilotJ3 04-19-2013 09:00 AM



Originally Posted by embraer (Post 1394293)
Yeah from what I can tell the staffing levels for FOs from best to worst go something like this:

MIA

NY

DFW

ORD

This based on how often reserves get called out in each base and how often swap/drop requests are approved. Of course this will all change as people flow to AA, upgrade, etc....

People are flowing already since 2-3 months ago.
Of you call flowing, just a couple of guys in two classes steadyz

I think he meant once the 824 starts to go. Then is when it will be some good movement.

RJ Pilot 04-19-2013 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1394357)
Of you call flowing, just a couple of guys in two classes steadyz

I think he meant once the 824 starts to go. Then is when it will be some good movement.

Yes, good movement. Rest assured the 824's will flow. Just like the fleet plan is around the corner!

WARich 04-20-2013 01:08 PM

Can someone from DFW base who is reserve and someone who is a line holder post their schedule for next month, or this month? Just to give an example of what to expect...

snippercr 04-20-2013 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by WARich (Post 1395150)
Can someone from DFW base who is reserve and someone who is a line holder post their schedule for next month, or this month? Just to give an example of what to expect...

You are going to get WAY to much variance to draw any usable conclusion from that...

RSV schedules are 11 days off: usually 4-6 days on, 2-3 off to equal 11 days off a month. You have the option of 'swapping' rsv days around, provided staffing is good. Some people like to do 6 on, 1 off, 6 on, 1 off, and then put a whole bunch of days off in a row. Me - I hate being on for more than 2 or 3 days so I generally try to swap so I have 2-3 on, 1 off, 2-3 on, 2 off, 2-3 on, 1 off etc. It's hit or miss if they approve it but more often than not I get something I want.

Hard lines for 4 day trips are usually 4 on, 3 off with weekends off going more senior. There are a fair number of 2 day back to backs and a few 3 day trip lines. Day trip lines are usually only a couple and go to the most senior non-commuters. 4 day trips can be traded with a pretty convenient trade program. Takes a few min to get used to it then it becomes you best friend ever. Great if you want specific overnights, dont want to fly with a DB captain, move your days off around so you get 6-7 off in a row, etc.

lakehouse 04-20-2013 05:57 PM

^^ very true about trip trade. However our union is shoving PBS down our throats to the tune of 9 million in owed costs per year. We can vote later this year if we want it or just give up 9 million. i hope to god with all the union corruption, people wakeup and see that we are better off taking the pay cut and not get pbs.

WARich 04-21-2013 04:08 AM

Thanks for the info...

RJ Pilot 04-21-2013 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1395243)
^^ very true about trip trade. However our union is shoving PBS down our throats to the tune of 9 million in owed costs per year. We can vote later this year if we want it or just give up 9 million. i hope to god with all the union corruption, people wakeup and see that we are better off taking the pay cut and not get pbs.

Accept PBS or no new planes for L-Eagle.

PilotJ3 04-21-2013 09:52 AM



Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1395243)
^^ very true about trip trade. However our union is shoving PBS down our throats to the tune of 9 million in owed costs per year. We can vote later this year if we want it or just give up 9 million. i hope to god with all the union corruption, people wakeup and see that we are better off taking the pay cut and not get pbs.

Accept PBS or no new planes for L-Eagle.
Apparently that's going to be the new carrot!! And the pilot group will say "yes!!! Bring the new planes!!!" And no planes will show up.

If we can just stand together just once, this would be the perfect time.


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