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RJ Pilot 04-21-2013 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1395532)
Apparently that's going to be the new carrot!! And the pilot group will say "yes!!! Bring the new planes!!!" And no planes will show up.

If we can just stand together just once, this would be the perfect time.

Or PBS or shutdown.

Ill take the later.

WARich 04-22-2013 04:27 AM

What are the pros and cons with the current system and with PBS?

WARich 04-23-2013 03:39 PM

No takers for the previous question?

TXav8r13 04-23-2013 03:46 PM

Transition conflict, 30/7, DTS, ect. For the pilots that use this to their advantage it would be a huge pay and qol hit.

bretthull 04-23-2013 03:54 PM

Only possible good thing I can see is maybe a decrease in reserve lines. Good news for us on infinite reserve.

RJ Pilot 04-23-2013 04:22 PM

PBS=Less manning, less upgrades.

Dejavu 04-23-2013 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by bretthull (Post 1396992)
Only possible good thing I can see is maybe a decrease in reserve lines. Good news for us on infinite reserve.

Not fun when your bubble line holders one month ur a line holder next month ur not or when jr people get lines cause u had a 7day conflict going into the next month u get stuck with reserve .

astec 04-23-2013 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by Dejavu (Post 1397046)
Not fun when your bubble line holders one month ur a line holder next month ur not or when jr people get lines cause u had a 7day conflict going into the next month u get stuck with reserve .

our junior guys are getting lines anyway.. thanks contract

RJ Pilot 04-23-2013 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by astec (Post 1397058)
our junior guys are getting lines anyway.. thanks contract

High times and more pay to boot!

WARich 04-25-2013 06:11 AM

Are there many RONs in Mexico? If so hows that?

What 04-25-2013 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by WARich (Post 1397921)
Are there many RONs in Mexico? If so hows that?

If you are DFW based once you get to the line you will frequent Mexico, I'll leave it at that!

Ultralight 04-25-2013 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by WARich (Post 1397921)
Are there many RONs in Mexico? If so hows that?

I've heard Ciudad Juarez and Nuevo Laredo are nice!

WARich 04-25-2013 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1397936)
If you are DFW based once you get to the line you will frequent Mexico, I'll leave it at that!


That could mean so much, how about a little insight?

What 04-25-2013 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by WARich (Post 1397975)
That could mean so much, how about a little insight?

Lots of Mexico flying out of DFW, tends to go junior because people normally don't like it. Flying international for a regional, Canada and Mexico normally is a hassle combined with the crime and stuff in Mexico and people don't rather stay on US soil. We haven't had issues with crew safety that we know of but people still rather not do it. Same can be said for Canada trips out of ORD.

I don't fly out of DFW so I can only go by what people say.

shfo 04-25-2013 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1397981)
We haven't had issues with crew safety that we know of but people still rather not do it. Same can be said for Canada trips out of ORD.
.

Tell that to the guy who got mugged at knife point by three guys in BJX back in November.

D B Cooper 04-25-2013 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by WARich (Post 1395868)
What are the pros and cons with the current system and with PBS?

Lines built to line guarantee.

buddies8 04-25-2013 07:50 AM

no sense the company to guarantee high time line when you cant make it due to being held hostage.

RJ Pilot 04-25-2013 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1397981)
Lots of Mexico flying out of DFW, tends to go junior because people normally don't like it. Flying international for a regional, Canada and Mexico normally is a hassle combined with the crime and stuff in Mexico and people don't rather stay on US soil. We haven't had issues with crew safety that we know of but people still rather not do it. Same can be said for Canada trips out of ORD.

I don't fly out of DFW so I can only go by what people say.

We should give that flying to Xjet as well. Less flying for L-Eagle but crew safety first.

RJ Pilot 04-25-2013 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by shfo (Post 1397990)
Tell that to the guy who got mugged at knife point by three guys in BJX back in November.

Heard the "smart" FO went for a smoke late at night solo around the hotel premises. Lack of common sense prevailed. Same thing could've happened in the USA.

Lifeisgood 04-25-2013 09:42 AM

Gents,
1. How many EMB FO's are based in NYC?
2. Is all flying scheduled (check in and releases) out/in of LGA? Anything from JFK or EWR? if so what percentage would you say?
3. Would you describe the trips – mostly 3-4 day or fair mix? Any cool flying you look forward to?
4. Is the EMB CA in NYC the most junior Captain position companywide?
Thank you very much.

bretthull 04-25-2013 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 1398067)
Gents,
1. How many EMB FO's are based in NYC?
2. Is all flying scheduled (check in and releases) out/in of LGA? Anything from JFK or EWR? if so what percentage would you say?
3. Would you describe the trips – mostly 3-4 day or fair mix? Any cool flying you look forward to?
4. Is the EMB CA in NYC the most junior Captain position companywide?
Thank you very much.

90 FO's give or take.
Trips begin and end at the same base.
No EWR trips on EMB.
Can't speak to lines but RSV trips are bw 3-6 days.
Flying kind of sucks. You'll see a lot of DCA, RDU, CLE. However you'll trips often go through other bases.

Lifeisgood 04-25-2013 11:32 AM

Thanks for the info, Brett.
So trips start either in LGA or JFK? Majority probably from LGA? What’s the approx. ratio?
Trips are up to 6 days? wow.

PilotJ3 04-25-2013 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 1398140)
Thanks for the info, Brett.
So trips start either in LGA or JFK? Majority probably from LGA? What’s the approx. ratio?
Trips are up to 6 days? wow.

They start in LGA & JFK, they are supposed to be done at the same station.

Max trips for line holders is 4 days, unless you have a transition conflict. Then you might be done a sequence one day and continue with another the next day.

But if you're on RSV I would recommend to pack for all your reserve days, because they can extend you and won't be back for a couple of days.

NYC and MIA RSVs don't fly as much as ORD or DFW pilots.

RJ Pilot 04-25-2013 05:28 PM

Any news of when Republic starting in MIA?

What 04-25-2013 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1398328)
Any news of when Republic starting in MIA?

Nope not yet

bretthull 04-25-2013 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1398328)
Any news of when Republic starting in MIA?

But last week it was expressjet taking over.

RJ Pilot 04-25-2013 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by bretthull (Post 1398332)
But last week it was expressjet taking over.

they both are actually. There is one more unnamed player that will make presence flying E-Jets.
Oh and No, its not L-Eagle. Sorry kiddos.

FlyingPirate 04-25-2013 06:11 PM

Been here for 3 years and am DFW based and have never had a single Mexico overnight. I have done 3 turns to mexico but those were all by choice (OT). I don't intentionally avoid Mexico but it just hasn't happened. Some people like it there, some don't but you could say that about our domestic overnights as well. It just depends on what you like to do on your overnights.

WARich 04-25-2013 06:45 PM

Thanks for the info about Mexico....

RJ Pilot 04-26-2013 05:26 AM

USairways management still believe L-Eagle is to costly. Get ready for more concessions or else, No fleet plan.

Lol'd.

What 04-26-2013 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1398523)
USairways management still believe L-Eagle is to costly. Get ready for more concessions or else, No fleet plan.

Lol'd.

All of management thinks that labor is to costly, lol'd!

What's your point?

RJ Pilot 04-26-2013 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1398530)
All of management thinks that labor is to costly, lol'd!

What's your point?

Eagle pilots will cave in once again. You haven't been here too long haven't you?

What 04-26-2013 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1398576)
Eagle pilots will cave in once again. You haven't been here too long haven't you?

I have been here over two year, enough time to see that pilots at Eagle and other airlines will step all over each other if it gives them a glimpse of something that could be good for them. Pilots will fear the unknown and cave in to management with the help of the unions. It not only Eagle, it's avery regional...

SkylineAviation 04-26-2013 07:33 AM

Eagle life
 
Didn't you all know, nobody knows as much as RJ Pilot. He see's the future and knows all and anybody who disagree's is "snotty" or whatever else he likes to say to criticize.

RJ Pilot 04-26-2013 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by SkylineAviation (Post 1398606)
Didn't you all know, nobody knows as much as RJ Pilot. He see's the future and knows all and anybody who disagree's is "snotty" or whatever else he likes to say to criticize.

Dont worry, they already have a fleet plan. Its NDA though.

shfo 04-26-2013 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 1398067)
Gents,
1. How many EMB FO's are based in NYC?
2. Is all flying scheduled (check in and releases) out/in of LGA? Anything from JFK or EWR? if so what percentage would you say?
3. Would you describe the trips – mostly 3-4 day or fair mix? Any cool flying you look forward to?
4. Is the EMB CA in NYC the most junior Captain position companywide?
Thank you very much.

There are 85 EMB FOs for May. It fluctuates though there were 120 in March with a lot of the LA TDY guys.

LGA gets 25 EMB and 30 CRJ departures a day. JFK gets 21 EMB and 6 CRJ departures a day.

LGA is the only airport with day trip lines. They have a couple which are usually XNA turns and some 4 leg day trips. Most of the JFK flying goes through other airports and doesn't return to JFK every other leg. A lot of the JFK flying is done by MIA and ORD.

JFK EMB is the current junior captain but there will be a vacancy out on the 6th. It will probably still be the junior base but no one knows if it will be EMB or CRJ.

SkylineAviation 04-26-2013 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1398631)
Dont worry, they already have a fleet plan. Its NDA though.

Of course they have a fleet plan of some nature and I'm sure it's a flexible plan that now has to be modified due to the nature of the business. And it should have a NDA associated with it for business protection although that is very frustrating as an employee. But we are just that...employees...not management, nor as an employee are we entitled to negotiate. That's where the union should (and I say, should) help protect us.

And why would I worry about something that's completely out of my control? And why should I endlessly argue about topics that are completely speculative as you do to no end.

You take pure speculation on your point and spin in to suit you doom and gloom as if the sky was falling. Everyone should just know you as chicken little. So go spread your endless bs that does not help the situation in the slightest and fill your own head with this propaganda everyone has been reading from you for some time now. If it was truly as bad as you make it, do everyone a favor and leave for greener pastures.

What 04-26-2013 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by SkylineAviation (Post 1398818)
Of course they have a fleet plan of some nature and I'm sure it's a flexible plan that now has to be modified due to the nature of the business. And it should have a NDA associated with it for business protection although that is very frustrating as an employee. But we are just that...employees...not management, nor as an employee are we entitled to negotiate. That's where the union should (and I say, should) help protect us.

ok, I'll bite... A few years ago I had a retired cargo pilot correct a similar statement that I made (the one in red). Management is part of the employee group, they are management and we are labor but when it boils down we are all employees for the company and in this instance we work for the stock holders (lack there of) so we work for the creditors. Management doesn't own the company, they are there to direct the company and work with labor to attain the best results but we know that it has become a huge fight over power and money.

The second thing is the NDA comment, the Eagle fleet plan doesn't have to be a secret. It's all about leverage and they use it to scare the eagle pilots and whipsaw against the other regional looking to earn more business. This whole NDA crap is a way to control the unions.

As far as the Unions, well your representatives are pilots form your own company representing the pilots. Labor unions are legally recognized as representatives of workers in many industries in the United States, in other words is a group of employees that have agreed to join together and bargain together. ALPA has national but normally national doesn't spend as much in your day to day ops as do your local reps who are pilots from your own airline. Don't forget the Union woks for you the employee and they are there to do what you want for the group as a whole. At Eagle we have an issue with the current Union leadership have found a way to isolate themselves from the labor group and are doing as they see fit and many of us are working to stop this but is not an easy process... The company is helping them, not long ago the company paid their wages to represent the pilots, you can read into that as you wish.

SkylineAviation 04-26-2013 01:54 PM

While I won't go in depth and nit pick, your statement is true about shareholders and management being employees. I was incorrect in my statement but what I was trying to say is that management has a job...manage and make macro decisions more or less. Other employees (i.e. pilots, which is what I am) are just that...pilots. Not business leaders of their respective companies. We are not paid to dissect 10-k reports, merger plans, depreciation of aircraft, or other issues that management typically does (at least upper management).

You are also correct about NDAs overall. Not entirely. They are a critical business tool that needs to be used but not abused. I believe we can agree on this. At Eagle it would appear at times that it is abused but none the less they are business critical documents that must be singed by multiple parties, including our union.

My overall point is that some individuals (RJ Pilot for instance) acts like a know it all doom and gloom chicken little. And will pounce at anything while attempting to throw mud at the wall to see what sticks.

NDAs are important within reason. Fleet plans and business plans are important. As our job as pilots, we are not entitled to ALL the information at anytime we want...this applies to most work groups in most industry. I am speaking generally but I think you get the point, What.

RJ Pilot 04-26-2013 07:01 PM

Is that you tony? btw, you know what you can do with your NDA thoughts....


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