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Old 04-23-2013 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
No, I just find it ironic that a bottom feeder is calling out another bottom feeder.
yeah, but my bottom feeder is bigger than your bottom feeder!
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Old 04-23-2013 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
$112-161 an hr

$181-197 an hr

What are those?
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
I don't know, but I can assure you no RJ pilot is making those wages. What is a 4th year FO cap? 37/hr? Is that how little you think you are worth to vote yes to this POS? Or are you a Capt willing to take any paycut to hang on to the left seat until Delta calls.
Since you are so obsessed with pinnacle, and obviously not your own airline, I'll tell you what those are. Doesn't take a genius to figure them out. The lower rates are Virgin's Captain pay rates for the 320, the higher ones Deltas. And you preach about Pinnacle putting a downward hurt on others??? Shy are you married? If you are, and you get divorced, I hope for wife #2's sake you spend time paying attention to her, and not obsessed with what's going on in the ex's life...
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Old 04-23-2013 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by IBPilot
You must have some pretty low self esteem then bro, flying around that big fancy Bus of yours with 3 times the people in the back, for $49, whose rates put a downward spiral on the legacies.....
Hey bro, it's $70/hr. And bro, I'm not at a legacy, I'm at a LCC. Compared to 2nd year FOs at other LCCs, Spirit/Allegiant/Frontier/JetBlue, I'm right in the middle in terms of pay. But thanks for your concern. Whereas you are not at a legacy or a LCC, you're at a regional. Within the regional level, where their well being is specifically defined by maintaining cost competitiveness with other regionals, you just shot everyone in the foot at other DCI carriers. My pay raise doesn't affect Delta pilots because their flying doesn't depend on my airline. Tomorrow, their management won't cut their A320 flying and give it to us because we are cheaper. But that's exactly what happens at the regional level, and exactly what you've done now that you voted in 4th/12 year caps and paycuts.

And for the record, $49/hr first year pay is the highest of any LCC today (right up there with JetBlue). But please don't let facts get in the way of a good bashing.


No, I just find it ironic that a bottom feeder is calling out another bottom feeder.
It's obvious your attitude is certain LCCs are bottom feeders. Look in a mirror and realize you're at a bottom feeding regional that voluntarily took a paycut to save your job.

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Old 04-23-2013 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
I don't know, but I can assure you no RJ pilot is making those wages. What is a 4th year FO cap? 37/hr? Is that how little you think you are worth to vote yes to this POS? Or are you a Capt willing to take any paycut to hang on to the left seat until Delta calls.

they are your payrates for Captain vs a Legacy......
I beg to differ, there are plenty of RJ drivers making 112-161 an hour....not the norm, but there are some.

edit...opps sorry I'm a slow typer already covered!
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Old 04-23-2013 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
yeah, but my bottom feeder is bigger than your bottom feeder!
so you're a bottom?
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Old 04-23-2013 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Hey bro, it's $70/hr.

oh dear lord, you're on 2nd year pay now. So I messed up your DOH by what, 13 days? my bad!
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Old 04-23-2013 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mooney
so you're a bottom?
"Feeder".............
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Old 04-23-2013 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by IBPilot
Since you are so obsessed with pinnacle, and obviously not your own airline, I'll tell you what those are. Doesn't take a genius to figure them out. The lower rates are Virgin's Captain pay rates for the 320, the higher ones Deltas. And you preach about Pinnacle putting a downward hurt on others??? Shy are you married? If you are, and you get divorced, I hope for wife #2's sake you spend time paying attention to her, and not obsessed with what's going on in the ex's life...
Legacy versus a new LCC. Completely different apples to oranges comparison. You cannot compare a 53 airplane airline to a 700+ airline legacy. And IF you are going to do that kind of comparison, then find me the most junior Captain at Delta. Most junior CA at VX is a Feb 2010 hire, and this individual does better than a Feb 2010 DOH at Delta, who is bottom barrel reserve FO.

But you can't make that comparison because the scope is entirely different. 53 airplanes versus 700. A more realistic comparison is with other LCCs. Spirit has about 50 airplanes. Allegiant has around the same number, I think a little more. Frontier has around 55 airplanes. JetBlue is bigger at 150+, but still within the same scope. Compared to THESE airlines, which are representative of the flying VX does, VX is right in the middle of the pack, arguably right behind JetBlue.

Now compare all that to the regional level, where you are directly competing with other regionals, within the same size and scope of flying. All key regionals these days fly the same kind of RJs, in approx. the 100-250 airplane size, and are cutthroat competition with each other to secure flying. That is an entirely different animal in comparison. If Frontier takes a paycut, Delta management doesn't tell Delta to take a paycut or lose flying. However when 9E voluntarily takes a paycut, I guarantee you Delta will force SkyWest/ASA, XJT, GoJet and every other DCI carrier out there to match the new 9E or be forced cuts. It's YOUR colleagues who are now gloating about getting new CRJ-700 flying. All made possible due to the paycuts you took. This isn't even an example of throwing stones from a glass house. This is just pure stupidity trying to throw a baseless attack that isn't on the same scale. You want to compare VX, compare it to LCCs because that's what VX is. It is unrealistic to compare it to a 700 airplane legacy.
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Old 04-23-2013 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Hahahaa no wonder you're still stuck at 9E, now that it's obvious your attitude is LCCs are bottom feeders. Look in a mirror and realize you're at a bottom feeding regional that voluntarily took a paycut to save your job.
I'm not actually stuck at 9E, I'm here by choice, you see I do other things than just fly airplanes.
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Old 04-23-2013 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy


Hahahaa no wonder you're still stuck at 9E, now that it's obvious your attitude is LCCs are bottom feeders. Look in a mirror and realize you're at a bottom feeding regional that voluntarily took a paycut to save your job.
and you are so much better than him for shelling out 25k for a zero to hero program, to go to a regional in year 4 of negotiations with a crappy pay rate, just for a quick upgrade.......what have you done to better this industry? watch out from that glass house!
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