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04-23-2013, 04:19 PM

#271

Saabs

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Originally Posted by Bartok

I love how we are supposed to look after the rest of the regional industry.

Because the rest of the regionals have always had our back........

You mean if we went belly up altogether (cue the I flew for colgan and my company DID go belly up) other regionals wouldn't help out?

04-23-2013, 04:27 PM

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Ok, then admit there is no such thing as unity within the regional airline pilot groups. It's cutthroat everyone looking out for themselves industry. And those DCI pilot group meetings, what's the point.

04-23-2013, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 8hourrule

it will also put about 250 Comair guys on the street. Again.

That would be unfortunate. I for one wish we would remain status quo until Delta and others started hiring, and then start parking 200's as people started to leave. But silly me, I forgot that morals and ethics left this industry a long time ago.

04-23-2013, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Bingo.

It's been like that for a while. It's sad and incredibly embarrassing in my opinion.

Case in point: the same union that is supposed to take care of its regional pilot group is also in charge of representing the mainline pilots' best interests. Anybody see anything wrong with that?

9E + XJ + 9L is the most clear and recent example of lack of unity among colleagues, since day 1.

04-23-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Flitestar

Please explain to me what unity would have done had 9E shut down. What would unity have gotten the 9E pilots? We could have gotten hired at another regional (for those of us who would have actually done that), so preferential hiring is meaningless and laughable. So I ask again, what would unity have gotten us? Without a national seniority list I'm drawin blanks.....

04-23-2013, 05:04 PM

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Are you implying that our unity, if there would've been one, would've caused 9E fold? Just trying to follow...

I have no cristal ball. But I'm pretty damn sure that 3 groups pulling in the same direction have a bit more chances of achieving something, and making a lot less damage to their own, rather than having all three pull their own way to get the upper hand over the other two.

But that's not the case. Neither at 9E nor at the regional industry level. It just doesn't work that way.

I'm with you on the National Seniority list idea.

04-23-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Flitestar

I meant 9E pilot group vs other regional pilot groups. It was evident that 9E's pilots were unified by 86% agreeance on the vote for better or worse - we can all agree with shy that aspect is extremely debatable. What I'm saying is why would we consider other regionals when we made our decision? Without a national seniority list all I can see happening is preferential hiring, which is a slap to our face.

04-23-2013, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Saabs

I meant 9E pilot group vs other regional pilot groups. It was evident that 9E's pilots were unified by 86% agreeance on the vote for better or worse - we can all agree with shy that aspect is extremely debatable. What I'm saying is why would we consider other regionals when we made our decision? Without a national seniority list all I can see happening is preferential hiring, which is a slap to our face.

Ah ok. I got you know. I totally agree with the question above. That is the main reason I can't hate on yes voters. Their reasons were legitimate, although I didn't share them.

When it came time to vote, 9E was hearing lots of shout outs from all these pilot groups who where loading up on rethoric about hanging in there, stay strong and basically asking 9E to fall on the sword on their behalf for the regional industry's sake, while they where just standing by the sidelines.

I never heard any other regional pilot group offer their share of their monthly salary before the vote, in case things didnt go we'll for 9E pilot group if that pos new contract was rejected.

This is how the industry rolls at the moment, and this has caused a self-serving agenda on pilots out there. I can't place blame.

04-23-2013, 06:14 PM

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You're bonkers if you think a national seniority list would solve anything! I don't even know where to begin.

And it's not the just regional pilots that are cuthroat. Majors are just as bad. Except they complain with a little more tact especially on public forums and probably make less spelling/ grammatical errors.

04-23-2013, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 8hourrule

it will also put about 250 Comair guys on the street. Again.

If you are familiar with the state of the industry then you know no matter what happens no one is getting furloughed anywhere. GoJets is constantly hiring - there are not going to be any furloughs, not with new rest rules, new hiring requirements and massive hiring all over the world. Before Pinnacle even thought about trying to get more flying they stated they would furlough 450. A few weeks later it was down to 150 and a few weeks later it was 0 - this happened long before 700's were even a blimp on the radar. Pinnacle lost all the Saabs and all the Q's and will soon be getting rid of 200's and still will not need to furlough. The regional game is a new paradigm.