The point you are leaving out is the reason it was unprofitable after the JCBA was signed, was the contract they had on the Q400s with the mainline partner. The JCBA had nothing to do with it, **** poor management was. Even under the pre-JCBA rates the flying was NOT sustainable.

BTW, the same thing can be said for the PCL ATL -900 flying for Delta. Let us not forget that.

 

Delta withheld the payment they owed that would have covered the training expenses associated with the XJ DL turboprop wind down. Thus forcing Pinnacle into bankruptcy. They didn't pay for it, that's the point. They realized what they were paying in terms of rates was subsidizing the other feed and took control.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make anyways, PT signed the contracts with United, not the pilots. And the Q rates matching a jet were a good thing for pilots. Would you rather the Q rate have been less? Keep casting your stones of doubt and hate, it truly is entertaining.

 

yeah, three pinnacle idiots.

 

Shy hates Pinnacle more than I hated Colgan...............

 

I think you meant fewer errors.

 

But u hated management not the pilots! Plus u know u miss the Saab!

 

That's why I'm a regional pilot :P

 

You just had SJS.

 

You should have stayed at Colgan. You would be a senior CRJ 900 Captain. Anyone in your way, just flash the career expectation business card and they'll clear out.

 

Any of you guys happen to catch Richard Anderson's excitement in the Q1 2013 Investor's call about Pinnacle?

We old timers have heard it before ... from Fred Reid and Leo Mullin about Comair, 14 years ago and candidly, Comair had a hell of a run until they mistakenly thought they were real airline pilots and struck without any brand or scope. They finally achieved some measure of scope, but when it expired they died as a result of longevity costs and gross mismanagement by Delta. My favorite comment by a reporter was "Comair was a multi Billion dollar company, then Delta bought them."

Richard Anderson (and perhaps more importantly Ed Bastian & Mike Campbell) would have reason to be emboldened by the National Mediation Board determination that GoJets was not a single transportation system simply because they operated different airplanes to get around a scope clause. For according to some rumors that is exactly how Delta intends to operate Pinnacle, just as GoJets is to Trans States.

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2006/33n009.pdf

All in, it was a better deal for GoJets than Trans States, as management picked "the best deal."

ALPA and Delta pilots were complete morons to allow multiple pilot groups to sit down and do competing deals with one management team.

Back in the salad days of Comair and ASA I always thought "man this is ugly, I am surprised Delta pilots do not want to resolve this with a single list." Once again, I have the same thought.

However, international problems and stories about RJ's being "last decade's problem" are used to distract the membership from whatever effect a group of pilots operating airplanes better than the mainline narrow body fleet* working for less pay might have on mainline negotiations.

So, what does mainline trade in 2015?