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Old 04-25-2013 | 01:20 PM
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Bar..I would be somewhat worried if I was a DL pilot. Your MGT has had some surprises up their sleeve. They seem to be cutting edge in their decisions. I would hate to see them make these same bottom line decisions about their own pilot group. They are definitely thinking outside the box...is the DL pilot group as well?
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Old 04-25-2013 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Did Delta test the Pan Am Express pilots? How about Northwest pilots?

Did Tigers vet those small jet flying Fed Ex pilots?

Unity before bigotry. Those Pinnacle pilots are already flying Delta pax.

I think the stats were less than about 4 percent of applicants made it through the process from application (over 12, 500 to the number off probation in the last ten years) if you back out internal hires and transfers. That meant precisely nothing in the mergers Delta has done...
Also, because 9E doesn't have any hiring standards. A pulse and a willingness to show up to class is all that is needed. In some cases, an interview wasn't even necessary, certain colleges had programs where the graduates got class dates without interviews. Delta would like to have a little higher of a standard than that. I'm against flows because it doesn't give an airline a chance to vet through the bad personalities, the guys who make this job harder than it has to be and are just plain annoying to fly with. Ask yourself, you know who these guys are, would you really want them at Delta.
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Old 04-25-2013 | 01:52 PM
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Because statistically speaking, a good 50% of regional pilots wouldn't pass a Delta interview (be it HR, tech, psych portion). Ask yourself, why would DALPA sign off on taking all the pilots on a regional list, without vetting them first.
I don't recall any interview or vetting of the Northwest pilots (who weren't even flying Delta passengers)
Perhaps Delta should do ALL the hiring, including all the regionals, problem solved. Good enough to be hired at DCI good enough for Delta then.
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Old 04-25-2013 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Also, because 9E doesn't have any hiring standards. A pulse and a willingness to show up to class is all that is needed. In some cases, an interview wasn't even necessary, certain colleges had programs where the graduates got class dates without interviews. Delta would like to have a little higher of a standard than that. I'm against flows because it doesn't give an airline a chance to vet through the bad personalities, the guys who make this job harder than it has to be and are just plain annoying to fly with. Ask yourself, you know who these guys are, would you really want them at Delta.
Yea, guys like you. What, did Pinnacle make some exception for you? You were hired under the same criteria. Just because you have moved on don't put yourself on some pedestal. And if I were you, I'd stop stepping on guys toes and making such a broad stroke of the brush for an entire pilot group. This is a small industry.
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Old 04-25-2013 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
I don't recall any interview or vetting of the Northwest pilots (who weren't even flying Delta passengers)
Perhaps Delta should do ALL the hiring, including all the regionals, problem solved. Good enough to be hired at DCI good enough for Delta then.
Northwest wasn't a regional with no hiring standards.

Yea, guys like you. What, did Pinnacle make some exception for you? You were hired under the same criteria. Just because you have moved on don't put yourself on some pedestal. And if I were you, I'd stop stepping on guys toes and making such a broad stroke of the brush for an entire pilot group. This is a small industry.
It's not a broad brush, it's true. The regionals have a very low hiring standard compared to majors. You can look at the acceptance level of intervieews at majors versus regional. You can look at the percentage chance of being called at a major versus a regional. It's a night and day difference. The interview process is also different. I never said anything bad about the good guys. My point oaths legacies should be able to weed out the bad flying personalities.
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Old 04-25-2013 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by avi8tor220
Yea, guys like you. What, did Pinnacle make some exception for you? You were hired under the same criteria. Just because you have moved on don't put yourself on some pedestal. And if I were you, I'd stop stepping on guys toes and making such a broad stroke of the brush for an entire pilot group. This is a small industry.
Good Post....Very small industry!!!!
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Old 04-25-2013 | 02:33 PM
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I understand there is the concern that some pinnacle pilots are not qualified to be Delta pilots my argument is that they fly Delta Passengers so they should be just as qualified and safe as their delta counter parts. If we have Pilots that are not qualified they should be weeded out in training instead of just check the box and move along. If we were to be merged raise our level of training to match Delta's and if you can not be brought up to their standards then there is the door, you shouldn't be flying their passengers if you can not meet their standards.
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Old 04-25-2013 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
I don't recall any interview or vetting of the Northwest pilots (who weren't even flying Delta passengers)
Perhaps Delta should do ALL the hiring, including all the regionals, problem solved. Good enough to be hired at DCI good enough for Delta then.
If we took all outsourced flying back, I'd sign off on this without batting an eye.
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Old 04-25-2013 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by What
Considering that by 2015 Delta has the possibility of owning 1/4 of their feed.
On the other hand, consider that 8 years ago Delta owned 80% of their feed (ASA and Comair) and decided they wanted nothing to do with it.
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Old 04-25-2013 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
On the other hand, consider that 8 years ago Delta owned 80% of their feed (ASA and Comair) and decided they wanted nothing to do with it.
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