Pinnacle
04-24-2013 | 07:12 PM
#301
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,045
Likes: 1
From: FO
Any of you guys happen to catch Richard Anderson's excitement in the Q1 2013 Investor's call about Pinnacle?
We old timers have heard it before ... from Fred Reid and Leo Mullin about Comair, 14 years ago and candidly, Comair had a hell of a run until they mistakenly thought they were real airline pilots and struck without any brand or scope. They finally achieved some measure of scope, but when it expired they died as a result of longevity costs and gross mismanagement by Delta. My favorite comment by a reporter was "Comair was a multi Billion dollar company, then Delta bought them."
Richard Anderson (and perhaps more importantly Ed Bastian & Mike Campbell) would have reason to be emboldened by the National Mediation Board determination that GoJets was not a single transportation system simply because they operated different airplanes to get around a scope clause. For according to some rumors that is exactly how Delta intends to operate Pinnacle, just as GoJets is to Trans States.
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2006/33n009.pdf
All in, it was a better deal for GoJets than Trans States, as management picked "the best deal."
ALPA and Delta pilots were complete morons to allow multiple pilot groups to sit down and do competing deals with one management team.
Back in the salad days of Comair and ASA I always thought "man this is ugly, I am surprised Delta pilots do not want to resolve this with a single list." Once again, I have the same thought.
However, international problems and stories about RJ's being "last decade's problem" are used to distract the membership from whatever effect a group of pilots operating airplanes better than the mainline narrow body fleet* working for less pay might have on mainline negotiations.
So, what does mainline trade in 2015?
We old timers have heard it before ... from Fred Reid and Leo Mullin about Comair, 14 years ago and candidly, Comair had a hell of a run until they mistakenly thought they were real airline pilots and struck without any brand or scope. They finally achieved some measure of scope, but when it expired they died as a result of longevity costs and gross mismanagement by Delta. My favorite comment by a reporter was "Comair was a multi Billion dollar company, then Delta bought them."
Richard Anderson (and perhaps more importantly Ed Bastian & Mike Campbell) would have reason to be emboldened by the National Mediation Board determination that GoJets was not a single transportation system simply because they operated different airplanes to get around a scope clause. For according to some rumors that is exactly how Delta intends to operate Pinnacle, just as GoJets is to Trans States.
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2006/33n009.pdf
All in, it was a better deal for GoJets than Trans States, as management picked "the best deal."
ALPA and Delta pilots were complete morons to allow multiple pilot groups to sit down and do competing deals with one management team.
Back in the salad days of Comair and ASA I always thought "man this is ugly, I am surprised Delta pilots do not want to resolve this with a single list." Once again, I have the same thought.
However, international problems and stories about RJ's being "last decade's problem" are used to distract the membership from whatever effect a group of pilots operating airplanes better than the mainline narrow body fleet* working for less pay might have on mainline negotiations.
So, what does mainline trade in 2015?
Now I have no idea what DL holds for Pinnacle in the future, hopefully it is positive but I would be careful getting too giddy on what is said in an investors conference call.
Know your audience. These are investors they are talking to. RA, EB, and all the other officers on it are there to sell to the investors on their decisions for Delta and how it makes a positive impact on Delta's bottom line.
Of course they aren't going to come out and say we sunk 100 Million into a company just to write it off in a few years, because we didn't notice that we had a supplier who couldn't run their business and we didn't want to have a massive service disruption.
Pinnacle is still going to park a ton of fifty seaters over the next few years and not replacing them one for one. That is good from an investors point of view, not a pilot point of view.
04-24-2013 | 08:33 PM
#302
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,406
Likes: 0
From: CRJ Captain
I could totally see them coming at you in 2015 saying we want the crj 1000 or smaller c series flown at pinnacle, here is a 20% raise And we will give pinnacle employee numbers but they will still be separate. I have always been curious as to why they only wanted a 3 year deal with you guys. Lets hope this does not happen
04-24-2013 | 08:54 PM
#303
Can't abide NAI
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 12,078
Likes: 15
From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Around $250 million actually and why does everyone forget ~ 2 billion in CapEx for new jets ? That's Delta's largest expenditure aside from the 737 order.
04-24-2013 | 09:48 PM
#305
Can't abide NAI
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 12,078
Likes: 15
From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Delta orders up to 70 Bombardier regional jets | Business & Technology | The Seattle Times
Which is why the threatened shut down was just a dog n pony show.
04-25-2013 | 03:16 AM
#306
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 511
Likes: 0
Hate to burst your bubble but those crj's can be placed at any of the regional carriers along will all of 9E's 900's. Not to sound like a broken record but just like they did to Comair. There is a reason a lot of 9E's planes' tail numbers end in CA.
04-25-2013 | 03:24 AM
#307
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 344
Likes: 0
Delta orders up to 70 Bombardier regional jets | Business & Technology | The Seattle Times
Which is why the threatened shut down was just a dog n pony show.
Which is why the threatened shut down was just a dog n pony show.
04-25-2013 | 03:26 AM
#308
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 344
Likes: 0
Actually, I don't think we have any that end in CA. We had a few 200s as spares but they are long gone now. The CA tails are at ASA, SKW, and gojoke.
04-25-2013 | 04:03 AM
#309
Banned
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,071
Likes: 0
I still have good buddies at 9E, and hope you all get some good news regarding airframes. I'd really love for you all to get a lot of flying from GoJets. That alone would be poetic justice.
However, it would be a sad case for all those Comair guys who got on with GoJets chasing that quick transition to the left seat to only find themselves furloughed again at the hand of Delta...Sometimes this industry is a sick, sick joke...
However, it would be a sad case for all those Comair guys who got on with GoJets chasing that quick transition to the left seat to only find themselves furloughed again at the hand of Delta...Sometimes this industry is a sick, sick joke...
04-25-2013 | 04:48 AM
#310
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 234
Likes: 0
From: CORP
I agree, we don't have any CA tails flying for us right now. SkyWest has a few 200's with CA, along with their 700 and 900's with the CA tails.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
