United buys 30 E175s
05-01-2013 | 11:55 AM
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Because he is supper smart, but now apparently Pinnacle won't be returning all the CRJ 200's but Delta will have to start parking 50 seaters if they want to deploy all 88 B-717 they have leased. That means that someone else will have to park 50 seaters. Who operates a good chunk of 50 seaters for Delta and happens to be likely most expensive operator? Who has to do a rate reset? Today your regional looks good and tomorrow the sky is falling, the regional industry blows big time...
05-01-2013 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by What:1401597
As would I but the reality is that it won't happen with them ordering 30 of these aircraft and it going to a regional partner. So since it is not going to mainline, will you be happy with a higher ratio for this aircraft which could result in pilots on the street for that carrier?
05-01-2013 | 01:00 PM
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05-01-2013 | 01:43 PM
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What he was referring was what Delta did and United is following. Exchange 50 seaters for 76 seaters at a ratio, with a loss of not only total airframes but also a loss of seats to the regional level while shifting flying to mainline with a small NB. Delta is shifting around 12% of the domestic flying to mainline in the next 2 years.
05-01-2013 | 01:46 PM
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I understand the game being played but it's ironic to me that you operate the 170/175 and hence your company will not be affected by any type of ratio that would be put in place. So in essence, any type of shrinkage at the regional level will not be felt by you or your company.
05-01-2013 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ross9238:1401661
I understand the game being played but it's ironic to me that you operate the 170/175 and hence your company will not be affected by any type of ratio that would be put in place. So in essence, any type of shrinkage at the regional level will not be felt by you or your company.
05-01-2013 | 05:37 PM
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You guys need to not only become familiar with your contract and SCOPE but also with the one at the majors, please stay in touch with that stuff because it's your career! And not they just signed a contract last year, that SCOPE that was agreed to in that contract is what put into language the 717 replacing the 50 seaters and doing a ratio between mainline and RJs. When is all said and done 10-12% of current regional flying is going to mainline. In the next 2-3 years. Delta is parking a few hundred 50 seaters and replacing them with 70 CRK 900's and 88 B717
05-01-2013 | 05:38 PM
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Part of the 717 plan was allowing mainline to outsource more 76 seaters at a ratio to the 717 and parking 50 seaters. United has a similar clause in their new SCOPE.
05-01-2013 | 05:57 PM
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UAL has a provision that states that-
For an increase above 153 "76" seaters (which are allowed to fly up to 120% of mainline Single Aisle Narrowbody Blockhours), the company must purchase as "New Small Narrow Body" aircraft.
1-C-1-g Number of 76-Seat Aircraft
If the Company adds New Small Narrowbody aircraft to the Company Fleet, then on or after January 1, 2016, the number of permitted 76-Seat Aircraft may increase from 153 (as permitted under Section 1-C-1-a-(2)-(c)) up to a total of 223 76-Seat Aircraft, and the number of permitted 76/70-Seat Aircraft may increase from 255 (as permitted under Section 1-C-1-a-(2)-(c)) up to a total of 325 76/70-Seat Aircraft, except that once the number of 76/70-Seat Aircraft exceeds 255, then the number of 70-Seat Aircraft may not be more than 102. 76-Seat Aircraft (above 153 such Aircraft) may be added on a one 76- Seat Aircraft for each one and one quarter New Small Narrowbody Aircraft (1:1.25) ratio (rounded to the closest integer).
As you can see, unlike DAL which already has the B717 slated for arrival, UAL does not have a similar aircraft listed.
In my opinion, our (New UAL) Scope is concessionary compared to what CAL had going in. Unfortunately, part of the blame needs to be directed at Delta/ALPA. They changed the bar back in July 2013 which required CAL/UAL to follow. So much for ALPA National trying to put flying back at the mainlines. (my opinion)
So now the new line will be 90 seaters configured to 76/70 seats. Until the next Contract Talks.. then expect those 100 seaters to be configured to 88/90 seats.
Oh well...
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