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Old 05-19-2013 | 05:31 AM
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Regional unions always use the bottom-end pay on their propaganda, but when they sign new contracts that bottom-end pay barely budges.

Pre contract "Is this worth it - $18,282"
post contract "Yay, $23,000! Wait... um?"

Impressive!

Yeah, a 27% raise is just a joke.
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Old 05-19-2013 | 05:35 AM
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I hope your airline doesn't ask you for concessions, and you guys start to get upset.
If you want to stick it to the company write stuff up when it's broken and call in sick when you're sick.
You mean you want them to act like a professional and do the job they're paid to do. All of the job, not just the part "they" consider important.
Good luck with that.

You are correct; just doing your job correctly is the best tool we have.
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Old 05-19-2013 | 10:21 AM
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I spoke to a United pilot after their "Summer of Love." In retrospect, he wished they had flown at the speed of heat instead of slowing down.

Slowing down hurts the passengers more than the Company and drove some passengers to Management's side.

Flying fast burns the gas (I know the Airline that pays the CPA pays for the fuel) and keeps the passengers happy, so that when the drive is over, you still have a customer base.

Both scenarios are fairly irrelevant as Management is calling both the "fast and the slow flyer's" in for a carpet dance...
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Old 05-19-2013 | 11:43 AM
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People are clueless. We fly using ACARS generated Econ speeds; per the company; and these speeds are slow as molasses. Quit speculating on your own about what we should do. We're flying by the book. (Unless I have a flight to catch).
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Old 05-19-2013 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TillerEnvy:1412276
People are clueless. We fly using ACARS generated Econ speeds; per the company; and these speeds are slow as molasses. Quit speculating on your own about what we should do. We're flying by the book. (Unless I have a flight to catch).
That's true. However there have been a few CAs that got in trouble because they were overblocking constantly by flying even slower than Econ speed. I know of one guy that was told resign or get fired because he was flying so slow they got him for safety of flight reasons. That's what prompted that memo a while back about not flying slower than flight plan speed unless we are early.
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Old 05-19-2013 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TillerEnvy
People are clueless. We fly using ACARS generated Econ speeds; per the company; and these speeds are slow as molasses. Quit speculating on your own about what we should do. We're flying by the book. (Unless I have a flight to catch).
At .65? Seriously? I call BS

I cannot tell you how many times I have been stuck behind a Chautauqua, Brickyard, or Mercury heading into LGA or DCA who claimed .62-.68 when asked for their speed. My minimum is .72-.74 depending on weight and model. You should hear the stink they put up when ATC asked them to do at least .75. This is pilot generated.
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Old 05-19-2013 | 03:54 PM
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Call BS all you like, 170 Econ speeds are WELL below .72-.74. Hell, even CHQ dispatch files us for .70 as the norm. If they file it, we fly it...
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Old 05-19-2013 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
At .65? Seriously? I call BS

I cannot tell you how many times I have been stuck behind a Chautauqua, Brickyard, or Mercury heading into LGA or DCA who claimed .62-.68 when asked for their speed. My minimum is .72-.74 depending on weight and model. You should hear the stink they put up when ATC asked them to do at least .75. This is pilot generated.
Oh... "Captain Tony." The world needs d-bags to laugh at. You get so wrapped around the axle about the dumbest sh!t. Just keep posting and I'll keep laughing.
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Old 05-19-2013 | 05:30 PM
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At psa our econo speeds typically come to .65 or below. I wont even fly the sometimes .60 that is generated at altitute because its just too damn slow. So I dont think these rah guys are making anything up. Ofcourse if atc asks for .75 or better I always oblige.
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Old 05-19-2013 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony:1412379
Originally Posted by TillerEnvy
People are clueless. We fly using ACARS generated Econ speeds; per the company; and these speeds are slow as molasses. Quit speculating on your own about what we should do. We're flying by the book. (Unless I have a flight to catch).
At .65? Seriously? I call BS

I cannot tell you how many times I have been stuck behind a Chautauqua, Brickyard, or Mercury heading into LGA or DCA who claimed .62-.68 when asked for their speed. My minimum is .72-.74 depending on weight and model. You should hear the stink they put up when ATC asked them to do at least .75. This is pilot generated.
The 170 is a slower airplane than the CRJ because of the wing. At Pinnacle they never wanted us below .70 but here I've had ACARS econ anywhere from .62 to .71, you really shouldn't make assumptions unless you know both sides of the coin.... And even then it's still stupid to assume
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