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Old 05-21-2013 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DMEarc
As a United pilot, it's sad to see these airplanes go to anyone at all.

However, its even worse to see them go to a non-union carrier.

Just sickening.
Your peers voted for it.
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Old 05-21-2013 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
TSA was afound for years. Gojets is just an alter-ego. You really didnt know that?
While the holding company was, it was still a start up certificate with zero experience.
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Old 05-21-2013 | 07:25 PM
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CLE for FOs goes junior.
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Old 05-21-2013 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Ultralight
Yes, look at all that 1.95% ALPA is missing out on with these E175's going to SkyWest.

The union reps might have to eat out at Applebees now instead of Ruth Chris Steak House.

Just sickening.
wouldn't that be nice.
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Old 05-21-2013 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by avi8tor4life
You read what Skippy wrote in his email:

"We have to keep the conversation open about ways we can become and stay competitive – because it will be up to us to decide if these aircraft become replacement flying or new growth"

Watch for the threats of parking airplanes unless we take a hit in Pay Negotiations this fall. Even though we got the planes on order they are going to use them as bait material for concessions.
Really!?!? Only 1 guy gets it? This is only an announcement for 40/100. Plus, they have options for 100. Anyone who doesn't think these will be used as management "carrots" to lure ALL SKYW, Inc pilots into accepting concessions is either ignorant, naive, or has zero memory. Wasn't ASA getting the first 900s, anyone? anyone? The email has already come out with management basically saying no growth at ASA or XJT unless concessions. I'm sorry, I mean "cost competitiveness". Plus, the threat of aircraft exiting the CPAs starting this fall. Deja vu all over again I guess.
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Old 05-21-2013 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
You only need to be cheaper than XJT. If you just hold the line and keep what you have, should be no problem.








That's right because you guys managed to get a whopping $2.00 an hour more for A/C over 50 seats...
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Old 05-22-2013 | 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglepilot6
Really!?!? Only 1 guy gets it? This is only an announcement for 40/100. Plus, they have options for 100. Anyone who doesn't think these will be used as management "carrots" to lure ALL SKYW, Inc pilots into accepting concessions is either ignorant, naive, or has zero memory. Wasn't ASA getting the first 900s, anyone? anyone? The email has already come out with management basically saying no growth at ASA or XJT unless concessions. I'm sorry, I mean "cost competitiveness". Plus, the threat of aircraft exiting the CPAs starting this fall. Deja vu all over again I guess.
The email that came out to XJT was a plea for unity to get labor contracts done so the company can know its costs going forward to bid contracts. I can't speak for the other labor groups, but for XJT pilots, the contract is basically done except for PBS bidding system. Management hasnt been asking for concessions, they have been on the sidelines for months watching the MECs cat fight over Flightline vs SmartPref
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Old 05-22-2013 | 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Ultralight
Yes, look at all that 1.95% ALPA is missing out on with these E175's going to SkyWest.

The union reps might have to eat out at Applebees now instead of Ruth Chris Steak House.

Just sickening.
I do feel that ALPA abuses spending for food and alcohol, but I also feel that it should be a perk for those that do volunteer. But you're right, Ruth Chris Steakhouse is a bit excessive. Additionally, I feel that many of the contract provisions that Skywest enjoys comes from ALPA negotiated contracts. I suspect that Skywest management will go for concessions at Skywest if ASA/XJT gives in to concessions
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Old 05-22-2013 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by gojo
I do feel that ALPA abuses spending for food and alcohol, but I also feel that it should be a perk for those that do volunteer. But you're right, Ruth Chris Steakhouse is a bit excessive. Additionally, I feel that many of the contract provisions that Skywest enjoys comes from ALPA negotiated contracts. I suspect that Skywest management will go for concessions at Skywest if ASA/XJT gives in to concessions
Splitting hairs a bit, but SkyWest pilots don't have any contract provisions. Their work rules, pay, and benefits exist only as long as management allows them to. The only leverage the pilots have is the threat of unionization if the cuts are too deep. Any "negotiations" with the student council are basically for show.
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Old 05-22-2013 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by gojo
I do feel that ALPA abuses spending for food and alcohol, but I also feel that it should be a perk for those that do volunteer. But you're right, Ruth Chris Steakhouse is a bit excessive. Additionally, I feel that many of the contract provisions that Skywest enjoys comes from ALPA negotiated contracts. I suspect that Skywest management will go for concessions at Skywest if ASA/XJT gives in to concessions
At eagle we've had the mec chairman walk in a liquor store and buy $100 worth of alcohol, go to a bar at night with buddies, other union members and their spouses and rack up almost $1,000 worth of alcohol and expense them as snack. Also there are multiple $1,500-2,000 dollar dinners. I am sorry but they don't deserve sh!t. They volunteered, and they are compensated. It's a volunteer job and my money shouldn't have to be spent on alcohol and extremely expensive dinners. A decent stake and a glass of whine is fine, but the abuse that is going on is unacceptable.
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