United EJet Order?
06-10-2013 | 02:01 PM
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Don't be surprised if Trans States is in the mix somewhere. Hulas has 27 145s to trade and United wants to get rid of 50 seaters. Also wouldn't be surprised if Compass and Trans States aren't integrated by the time all this is said and done. One thing's for sure, there's something big going on at HQ, and nobody's talking....
06-10-2013 | 02:08 PM
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Think of it this way. Why would Hulas continue to pay for all the duplication involved with two seperate certificates when has has two pilot groups represented by the same union with similiar pay scales and contracts? Everybody knows the 145s are going away eventually as UAL has made it clear the larger RJs are the future. The reason for all these certificates (mainline scope on 50 seaters) is gone.
Gonna be an interesting next couple of months.
06-10-2013 | 02:17 PM
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Rumor at RAH is that CHQ and Shuttle will likely be merged. 170s were put on CHQ certificate initially but APA fined CHQ something like 6 million for this and the mulitple certificate kabuki dance was born. Now that the AA/Continental 50 seat scope has been gutted, the business justification for these multiple certificates are gone, along with the horrendous expense of running multiple SOCs, maintenance, training programs, etc.
06-10-2013 | 02:31 PM
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Heard a couple of rumors and part speculation on my part. We're hiring like crazy, and there is talk of changes to the training program that sounds very much like Compass.
Think of it this way. Why would Hulas continue to pay for all the duplication involved with two seperate certificates when has has two pilot groups represented by the same union with similiar pay scales and contracts? Everybody knows the 145s are going away eventually as UAL has made it clear the larger RJs are the future. The reason for all these certificates (mainline scope on 50 seaters) is gone.
Gonna be an interesting next couple of months.
Think of it this way. Why would Hulas continue to pay for all the duplication involved with two seperate certificates when has has two pilot groups represented by the same union with similiar pay scales and contracts? Everybody knows the 145s are going away eventually as UAL has made it clear the larger RJs are the future. The reason for all these certificates (mainline scope on 50 seaters) is gone.
Gonna be an interesting next couple of months.
06-10-2013 | 02:33 PM
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Think of it this way. Why would Hulas continue to pay for all the duplication involved with two seperate certificates when has has two pilot groups represented by the same union with similiar pay scales and contracts? Everybody knows the 145s are going away eventually as UAL has made it clear the larger RJs are the future. The reason for all these certificates (mainline scope on 50 seaters) is gone.
Gonna be an interesting next couple of months.
06-10-2013 | 02:55 PM
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Wouldn't put it past them but if that happened training expenses would go through the roof as you would be talking about initial training vs some type of transition training. Plus TSA contract addresses this by guaranteeing any TSA pilot displaced due to a TSA shutdown 50% of their longevity at a sister carrier (Gojet or Compass) so this really wouldn't save them that much in the end when training costs are considered.
06-10-2013 | 03:06 PM
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Wouldn't put it past them but if that happened training expenses would go through the roof as you would be talking about initial training vs some type of transition training. Plus TSA contract addresses this by guaranteeing any TSA pilot displaced due to a TSA shutdown 50% of their longevity at a sister carrier (Gojet or Compass) so this really wouldn't save them that much in the end when training costs are considered.
06-10-2013 | 03:12 PM
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Wouldn't training costs be very similar to retrain TSA on E175, if they are replacing all the E145s, versus moving them over to CPZ and training them there? Plus then you don't have the hassle and expense with adding the E175 to the TSA certificate. And like you said, they get all of those guys at half longevity. NOT saying I condone this!! But as we all know TSH is pretty ruthless.
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