Best response to Kit Darby ever!
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#12
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Did you read the CBA of the company you interviewed with before you got hired? I'm betting not. No one foresees anything in this industry. No pilot can predict upgrade times or forecast hiring plans years in advance.
Yes, you have a vague idea of what you are getting into when you sign on, but no one knows what's behind the curtain until you're actually on the stage.
So please, do us all a favor. Retire that "you knew what you were getting into" BS immediately.
Applicants ignore this information because they're enamored with the idea of flying an E170. So when they complain about their take-home pay, there's not a lot of sympathy.
#14
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Ever buy a car?
A house?
Get a credit card?
Hire someone for a GFE?
You signed on the dotted line when you showed up. You knew the pay and work rules sucked if you did your homework.
I'm kinda tired of reading the whole "I didn't do my research therefore RAH/TSA/MESA is a horrible company" thing. Not picking you out personally just sayin'
A house?
Get a credit card?
Hire someone for a GFE?
You signed on the dotted line when you showed up. You knew the pay and work rules sucked if you did your homework.
I'm kinda tired of reading the whole "I didn't do my research therefore RAH/TSA/MESA is a horrible company" thing. Not picking you out personally just sayin'
#16
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Ever buy a car?
A house?
Get a credit card?
Hire someone for a GFE?
You signed on the dotted line when you showed up. You knew the pay and work rules sucked if you did your homework.
I'm kinda tired of reading the whole "I didn't do my research therefore RAH/TSA/MESA is a horrible company" thing. Not picking you out personally just sayin'
A house?
Get a credit card?
Hire someone for a GFE?
You signed on the dotted line when you showed up. You knew the pay and work rules sucked if you did your homework.
I'm kinda tired of reading the whole "I didn't do my research therefore RAH/TSA/MESA is a horrible company" thing. Not picking you out personally just sayin'
#18
Probably a trust fund baby/ income subsidy case. Not saying there's anything wrong with taking advantage of breaks in life, but to suggest the profession is solvent while sitting in that position is rather disingenuous. Just call it a hobby and be done with the whole discussion.
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There once was a company named Comair, who struck in 2001. Even though they went tits up, we can all hold our heads up high and are proud to say we were once there and tried to make things better. 12 years later no contract has come close to matching what we had.
That is both sad and astonishing considering the cost of everything has gone up by leaps and bounds yet regional pilots are making less than a decade ago.
My first year I made little. But still had 100% deadhead. 100% cancellation. A commuter policy which I used on occasion. Block or better, 12 days off min on reserve. A and life was generally good.
2nd year I made in the $35K range with a good schedule and the same work rules. Things were getting better.
3rd and 4th year I was making in the low $40K range cherry picking 2 day trips with 14-16 days off..
Then came RAH's entry into the Delta mix. All of a sudden it was we need pay freezes, pay cuts, ooooh look at that shiny E170! Wouldn't you like to fly that like RAH? We tried to say no....
For those that were still chasing high school girls around back then, learn from those contract mistakes. Chasing those dreamy upgrades by accepting substandard contracts may work out in the end for some. But the vast majority will have to work under the crappy work rules for many years. Not to mention future pilots that will make peanuts for many years thereafter.
The decisions of pilot groups a decade ago still have detrimental affects on the pilot groups of today. And nowadays you won't benefit from places like JB or SWA scooping up loads of freshly minted 1000pic captains like back around 2006.
You want better? You ever hear of flying the contract, or 2 engine taxi's in an RJ. It's ok to make sure that every Pass overhead light works. Or the emer. Exit sign functions properly..hint hint...
That is both sad and astonishing considering the cost of everything has gone up by leaps and bounds yet regional pilots are making less than a decade ago.
My first year I made little. But still had 100% deadhead. 100% cancellation. A commuter policy which I used on occasion. Block or better, 12 days off min on reserve. A and life was generally good.
2nd year I made in the $35K range with a good schedule and the same work rules. Things were getting better.
3rd and 4th year I was making in the low $40K range cherry picking 2 day trips with 14-16 days off..
Then came RAH's entry into the Delta mix. All of a sudden it was we need pay freezes, pay cuts, ooooh look at that shiny E170! Wouldn't you like to fly that like RAH? We tried to say no....
For those that were still chasing high school girls around back then, learn from those contract mistakes. Chasing those dreamy upgrades by accepting substandard contracts may work out in the end for some. But the vast majority will have to work under the crappy work rules for many years. Not to mention future pilots that will make peanuts for many years thereafter.
The decisions of pilot groups a decade ago still have detrimental affects on the pilot groups of today. And nowadays you won't benefit from places like JB or SWA scooping up loads of freshly minted 1000pic captains like back around 2006.
You want better? You ever hear of flying the contract, or 2 engine taxi's in an RJ. It's ok to make sure that every Pass overhead light works. Or the emer. Exit sign functions properly..hint hint...
#20
Best response to Kit Darby? Negative. It was factually inaccurate and horribly pessimistic. 24k take home average over 7 years for FOs? False. 48k average take home for Captains over 7-10 years?!?
False.
Kit skews way positive, responder skews way negative. Somebody with some common sense meet in the middle and put factual information out there!
False.Kit skews way positive, responder skews way negative. Somebody with some common sense meet in the middle and put factual information out there!
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